"adjustments related to elite marks"

[Nestama]

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Oh, so you think it's perfectly fine to bully players who don't follow the law set up by the Hunting community, then? Davorok is treating the content as intended (B's Light Party and A's Full Party) and most likely sees how fun A ranks can be when you're not treating them as FATE mobs (smashing face on keyboard for victory). Do you even know what Melt in East Shroud does?

[DarkStar]

The thing is, when you do things like that you're sowing distrust. Do you know what happens next? Others will say "Nobody waits for me, so when I find a mob I'm not shouting. I'll just tell my party." Then you miss out on far more seals than you got for the selfish ninja-kill.

Good. Maybe then I'll actually be interested in Hunts if it's only you and a handful of friends going after these things, LIKE SE HAD INTENDED.

[Marael]

Damn man, "4-8 of us" means JUST YOUR PARTY. You aren't /shouting? You aren't notifying a hunt LS or FC? You find mobs and kill it with just your party? When you're there with a party when the mob is pulled it's SO EASY to get full credit, so why not wait 3 minutes until others can arrive?

If 100 people are scouring open areas for 10 minutes for their A Ranks and "4-8" people (one party) pull the mob, they're not simply "enjoying the content as it was meant to be played". They're selfish and they deserve every verbal barb they receive.

The thing is, when you do things like that you're sowing distrust. Do you know what happens next? Others will say "Nobody waits for me, so when I find a mob I'm not shouting. I'll just tell my party." Then you miss out on far more seals than you got for the selfish ninja-kill.

the thing is... THAT'S HOW OPEN WORLD CONTENT WORKS!!! There is no rule that says you have to wait for others to arrive. If you see it, it's fair game. It's not rude. People aren't worse than Hitler for pulling a hunt NM before seven thousand other people show up. They are perfectly within their rights and perfectly justified in killing it on their own, because THAT'S HOW OPEN WORLD CONTENT WORKS. Honestly, with some of the people I've run into in this game I'm surprised that people have been as courteous as they have been. Usually it's every guild for himself and F anyone else when it comes to stuff like this in other MMOs.

[Davorok]

Damn man, "4-8 of us" means JUST YOUR PARTY. You aren't /shouting? You aren't notifying a hunt LS or FC?

Actually I am usually out doing other content (Daily Hunts/ Beast Tribe Quests / Gathering / Treasure Maps, etc. and if I happen to come across a Hunt NM I will /Yell the <t> & <pos> and a {Please Assist}. If it is a B rank as soon as 3-4 peeps show up I will pull it. If it is an A rank I will wait for 7-8 peeps to show up., but sometimes someone else will pull it as soon as they arrive. Sometimes we form a party but most of the time we don't.

When you're there with a party when the mob is pulled it's SO EASY to get full credit, so why not wait 3 minutes until others can arrive?

Because if we wait for "The Horde" there is a good chance that we end up getting fewer rewards and it doesn't register as a Completion for the Weekly Mark.

If 100 people are scouring open areas for 10 minutes for their A Ranks and "4-8" people (one party) pull the mob, they're not simply "enjoying the content as it was meant to be played". They're selfish and they deserve every verbal barb they receive.

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Q: Will there be various difficulty levels?

A: Yes. Just as I explained before, the ranks will not only show the strength of the marks, but also the difficulty of their spawning conditions. There will be a variety of enemies that you can solo with item level 90 gear, enemies you can defeat that require the aid of a companion, and enemies that will require a party to defeat. If you come across one of these more difficult marks, we hope you'll make use of the party finder or shout to enlist a few able-bodied adventurers to help.

The following adjustments have been made to “The Hunt”:
Elite marks maximum HP has been increased.
Rank B maximum HP has been raised from solo to light party level, Rank A maximum HP has been raised from light party to full party level.
Although the Rank S maximum HP level was already intended for multiple parties, we have further raised the necessary number to require even more parties.

The thing is, when you do things like that you're sowing distrust. Do you know what happens next? Others will say "Nobody waits for me, so when I find a mob I'm not shouting. I'll just tell my party." Then you miss out on far more seals than you got for the selfish ninja-kill.

I don't expect anyone to wait for me or to even notify me that they are fighting an NM. I am not worried about "missing out on seals" because I am not spending my time constantly hunting NM's. I only need 1 Rank B Elite per week to complete my Mark Bill and any other Elites I come across are just a bonus that is much more fun to fight in a 4-8 man group than to zerg down in 10 seconds with 50-100 people.

Plus there are plenty of other things that I enjoy doing...

[Satia]

I hope all of the people spamming for I110 itemization have nothing to do in 2.4 quite honestly.

Go do more hunts for Ninja. Burn yourselves out and leave so the rest of us can do it.

Is it really a game? Are you even having fun 'hunting' the monsters? The people say yes are either masochistic or blind.

Wow.. bitter much? Sour Grapes my friend.... Sour Grapes.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

I ain't jelly of your gear, you'll just have nothing to do while I will.

I've gotten ~200 Allied Seals casually, and I plan on using them for Vanity so I can keep running other things to gear myself out at a reasonable pace. The people that rush and bitch about early pulls and such are playing the game to see a # in their character screen rise. So I hope that number doesn't move in 2.4 is all.

[Eidolon]

I ain't jelly of your gear, you'll just have nothing to do while I will.

I've gotten ~200 Allied Seals casually, and I plan on using them for Vanity so I can keep running other things to gear myself out at a reasonable pace. The people that rush and bitch about early pulls and such are playing the game to see a # in their character screen rise. So I hope that number doesn't move in 2.4 is all.

You realise 2.4 will increase ilevel to 130, right? <_< If precedent means anything. If anything, those people will have more new-content to do (Because they go through it like locusts) because they'll be tearing through the Third coil of bahamut. I doubt they'll be at a loss - they'll remain the ones at the cutting edge of end-game.

The rest of us will continue trying to clear T9 (Still haven't on my end) and will try to catch up. Just like 2.2.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

You realise 2.4 will increase ilevel to 130, right? <_< If precedent means anything. If anything, those people will have more new-content to do (Because they go through it like locusts) because they'll be tearing through the Third coil of bahamut. I doubt they'll be at a loss - they'll remain the ones at the cutting edge of end-game.

The rest of us will continue trying to clear T9 (Still haven't on my end) and will try to catch up. Just like 2.2.

Nah, it's cool. They'll whine about the lockouts too.

Spending 8 hours a week dying to a boss is hardly my definition of cutting edge endgame.

[Coatl]

I hope all of the people spamming for I110 itemization have nothing to do in 2.4 quite honestly.

Go do more hunts for Ninja. Burn yourselves out and leave so the rest of us can do it.

Is it really a game? Are you even having fun 'hunting' the monsters? The people say yes are either masochistic or blind.

That's why I'm not too worried for the most part. People will burn out or have all they want in seals. The only people that will run it will be those that want to cap out on myth and soldiery, which I think shouldn't be a choice given how many rewards the hunts already give you.

[Chocolate_Rain]

I don't think that anyone who's being rational about this wants hunts nerfed to the ground. There's a definite desire for this content that should be respected. However, with the current reward system in place, it makes almost all other content in the game irrelevant. Add that to the secretive nature of the hunt, and the fact that you have a single group(fc or linkshell) organizing most hunt activities on most servers, then you have a huge part of the population forced doing content that they don't want to do, and another huge part who want to hunt that can't, due to not being included.

The only way SE can fix this, imo, is if they balance this as a separate progression path. That also means it has to be worthwhile to do, but not be more worthwhile than the standard path so that players can choose which they'd like to do without being penalized.