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    Butcherboy's Avatar
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    Commodore Butcherboy
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    At Eardstapa yeah I watch the video looks pretty sick but he never write his rotation down. I'd like to know his. I've been watching his stuff in YouTube.
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    Player RaizeGraymalkin's Avatar
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    Volta Fross
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 61
    I know people are still theorycrafting a proper rotation, but as someone who saw "A Rotation Reborn" for Dragoon and nearly collapsed from the amount of inputs, I found that Priority image much easier to follow (the one that's like "Is Heavy Thrust about to go down? Use "x", etc).

    For someone like me who isn't an advanced player is there anything of the sort for Ninja? Like "If Huton is up, use "X".
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    V'ies Nies
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    Leviathan
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    Marauder Lv 48
    Quote Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin View Post
    I know people are still theorycrafting a proper rotation, but as someone who saw "A Rotation Reborn" for Dragoon and nearly collapsed from the amount of inputs, I found that Priority image much easier to follow (the one that's like "Is Heavy Thrust about to go down? Use "x", etc).

    For someone like me who isn't an advanced player is there anything of the sort for Ninja? Like "If Huton is up, use "X".
    Don't look at it as a rotation system, because any rotation is going to look like a mess. It's a priority system, first and foremost.

    If Huton has, say, 15 or fewer seconds left and Ninjutsu is up, use Huton.

    If Mutilate is about to drop off and you're not in the middle of your damage combo, use Mutilate.

    And just do the same for the other DOT and the debuff(assuming there's no other NIN or WAR who is taking care of it).

    If all of those are good, use the damage combo. Also remember to use Mug, Suiton when SA/TA are off cooldown to apply TA(I only tend to use SA when doing solo content), Assassinate(when able) and Jugulate(unless it's needed for stunning/silencing a particular ability/spell) during GCDs. It can be a lot to keep track of in addition to Mudra combos, but it's just a matter of practicing and getting used to it.
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    Last edited by Vies; 11-03-2014 at 09:01 PM. Reason: char limit

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    doing some research and I got this from the rogue class. Kiss if the wasp and viper: Apply wasp venom to your weapons, increasing damage dealt by 5%. Shares recast with Kiss of the Viper, and cannot be used with other weapon poisons. Effect ends on reuse. now in the trait section that gets increase up to 20% dmg increase. is this similar to B4B where u get a dmg increase? where I this applies in the rotation? just wondering been reading Walk in the shadow and I haven't seen u guys mention this ability yet, so im just wondering.
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Butcherboy View Post
    doing some research and I got this from the rogue class. Kiss if the wasp and viper: Apply wasp venom to your weapons, increasing damage dealt by 5%. Shares recast with Kiss of the Viper, and cannot be used with other weapon poisons. Effect ends on reuse. now in the trait section that gets increase up to 20% dmg increase. is this similar to B4B where u get a dmg increase? where I this applies in the rotation? just wondering been reading Walk in the shadow and I haven't seen u guys mention this ability yet, so im just wondering.
    It's more like Fist of Fire. Apply and it's done until you want to switch to the other poison.
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    pretty awesome so that's an insta 20% dmg increase at all times till I remove it.
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    Genji Xiii
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 90
    Ninjutsu rotation should be something like this:

    Is Huton up? if not, use Huton
    Is Trick Attack ready? If yes, Use Suiton > Trick attack
    If Huton is up and Trick attack on CD, use Raiton

    In the case of Kattsassu being available, you will want to use it as immediately as possible after a ninjutsu, regardless of what that was. During my burst rotation at the start of all fights my ninjutsu goes exactly like this.

    Prepare by using Huton pre-fight.
    Use Suiton > Katsassu > Trick Attack > Raiton, weaving between your rotation as much as possible.

    This accomplishes two things.

    Your strongest attacks are used early while all buffs and potions are rolling if u use them.
    Your Trick Attack is buffing the raid during their burst rotations at the start of the fight.


    Beyond this rotation, you only have to keep up your dots, and if nothing else is avalable, use your filler rotation (Aeolian Edge).
    Your Warrior will likely keep Storm's Eye up for you. If not, you may want to keep it up yourself (I'm not sure if it is actually a DPS increase to do so.).

    Oh, and as for Doton (that ground AoE), I'm fairly certain it is not an increase in DPS on a single target. Maybe on two targets it is.
    Also, Raiton and Katon are fairly equal in damage when against 2 targets, so as soon as you see three targets, use Katon instead of Raiton. Katsassu will guarantee a crit on all targets hit with Katon.
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrlordd View Post
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    You made good points and listed exactly what I do. Though I don't always kassatsu right after suiton. I'd say as long as you do it soon after you should be fine. Right after trick attack at the latest.

    Sometimes if you're interested the middle of your melee rotation you could suiton > AE ( always seem to be here or close in my opener )> TA > Kusatsu > raiton. All in about 5 seconds or so. I don't have a parser since I play on ps4 but it puts me stupid high on the hate list and w/e I keep doing for my rotation is working pretty well.

    I will have to take the katon thing into account though.
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    Genji Xiii
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 90
    hmm, I hadn't thought of using Trick attack to boost AE. I'll try that, although the most you could hope to fit in the 'Vulnerability Up' buff would be AE and the two dots, which I would think is the most preferable use of the uptime.

    Also, I'm always stupid high on the hate list. WTB quelling strikes, preeze.
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    Player
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    The reason I use AE before TA is because it's office so it's easy to work it in between my combos ( and for some reason there is a gap of nothing between suiton and trick attack that irks me) . TA is used before I apply my next set of dots so they still get the boost.
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