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  1. #121
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    Exstal's Avatar
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    The point isn't the damn 3. Having 3 jobs for 1 statisn't, by itself, the point. The point is having 1 stat shared by 3 jobs whist another stat is exclusive to 1 job, simultaneously, is the point. The difference of 2+ between stats. That's the freaking point. I thought I spelled it out above, but even that isn't enough apparently lol.
    This is a problem because? The only way Ninja will use DEX is if SE decides that DEX no longer means, "ranged" and it now means "agile". Like I said, I hope Naoki isn't a liar.

    EDIT:

    Ultimately, to clarify, I'm not suggesting that DEX will be the stat for Rogue and Ninja for sure. Nobody can say that. I am simply countering any notion that STR is essentially guaranteed to be the stat, and suggesting that they can feasibly go with STR or DEX at this point. In addition to that, I am giving reasons for why I, personally, think DEX would be the wiser choice.
    Understood.
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    Last edited by Exstal; 08-29-2014 at 02:43 AM.

  2. #122
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    NoctisUmbra's Avatar
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    Noctis Umbra
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    This is a problem because? The only way Ninja will use DEX is if SE decides that DEX no longer means, "ranged" and it now means "agile". Like I said, I hope Naoki isn't a liar.
    I explained, in great detail, why having imbalance between job reliance on stats is an issue as far as itemization in in my earlier posts.

    Otherwise, yes, it would indeed require a verbal redefinition of the DEX stat in its tooltip. The key here is, as far as how the damage formulas and such have been built, it would likely be a trivial "flick of the switch" on the backend system side of things.

    Furthermore, I disagree that it would make Yoshi-P a liar. He simply said "First off, because the class is going to be a melee DPS-type class, that gear that you have for other melee DPS classes and jobs is probably something that you'll want to hold on to."

    This can easily be interpreted as "hold on to any gear you used (or are using) while leveling up your melee DPS jobs as they can be used for Ninja." I suppose this is a good point to remember that many gear choices early in the leveling process are itemized as DoW only, and include both STR and DEX as stats. Therefore, that statement (which has also since been personally retracted by Yoshi-P) is hardly any kind of confirmation for STR. Also, he has since suggested that they are still working out what primary stat to base the class off of and will announce at a later time.

    Hardly anything making Yoshi-P a liar if they go with DEX.
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    Last edited by NoctisUmbra; 08-29-2014 at 02:54 AM.

  3. #123
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    Viridiana's Avatar
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    This is a problem because? The only way Ninja will use DEX is if SE decides that DEX no longer means, "ranged" and it now means "agile". Like I said, I hope Naoki isn't a liar.
    Of course, as has been brought up numerous times since NIN was confirmed, DEX hasn't meant "ranged" in quite a long time. . .
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  4. #124
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    Justina Suntail
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    what about those data mines that show dex boosts traits for nin?
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  5. #125
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    Alexandra Sapphora
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Since DRG and PGL already share Str based accessories, and BLM/SMN share the Int ones, but BRD being the only class using Dex accessories, it would only be logical to have NIN share Dex accessories with BRD. Assuming Dex is NIN's primary is not a far fetch from there.
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  6. #126
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    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Not going to lie, I hope ninja is strictly based. Would be different if dex was more like ffxi and it affected critical hit rate. I am not sure if it functions like that, but if it did, then it would make sense for ninja to go off dex. Making the class a critical rate class would be pretty awesome.
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  7. #127
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonus View Post
    Not going to lie, I hope ninja is strictly based. Would be different if dex was more like ffxi and it affected critical hit rate. I am not sure if it functions like that, but if it did, then it would make sense for ninja to go off dex. Making the class a critical rate class would be pretty awesome.
    It can be a crit class simply by having ARC and MNK as subs (also what I expect to be the case). If it is DEX based, Hawk's Eye will be an offensive buff along with Raging Strikes while Straight Shot and Internal Release can both increase crit rate.

    Perhaps it will have native crit-based options to further enhance this.
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  8. #128
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Though it would be nice for drg sub ( unlikely) for access to Bob and invigorate. With those low to costs it probably won't need invigorate as much.
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  9. #129
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    Kulit Kulitin
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Is there any concern regarding leveling up this new DPS role? As we know, there's typically a long queue for DPS when doing DF dungeons. With (I assume) a lot of people wanting to try out this new class, isn't this going to further increase the amount of DPS queuers, without seeing the same influx of new healers and tanks to queue with?
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  10. #130
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    Noctis Umbra
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKK View Post
    Is there any concern regarding leveling up this new DPS role? As we know, there's typically a long queue for DPS when doing DF dungeons. With (I assume) a lot of people wanting to try out this new class, isn't this going to further increase the amount of DPS queuers, without seeing the same influx of new healers and tanks to queue with?
    That's inevitable with a single class introduction I'm afraid. Many people may resort to ye old FATE spam for their leveling. We shall see.

    Though, perhaps the likelihood of Rogue being gated by the MSQ all the way through to 2.4 will help reduce the initial load.
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