Stop Raising Item Level and build foundation with Horizontal Progression first

[Gardes]

I think they want full of a certain secondary stat while maintaining accuracy cap, if DPS, and maximum main stat for their class if full i110. I don't think this desire will work with the limited amount of dungeons we have now. So this whole thread is just a complaint thread because we simply do not have the content in-game to cater to it.

No, that's what Sapphic wants and he's against horizontal progression. What he's describing is letting players only have 2 secondary stats on a character, no extras. That means all your gear would be, if you're a dragoon or monk, STR, VIT, Just enough ACC, and PURE DET. The only reason we're taking crit rate too is because we cant have a piece of gear that has +STR, +VIT, +DET and another +DET. None of your pieces would have any skill speed or crit hit and that's what everyone will do, the only difference between each of them would be their ilvl quality.

[Arkine]

I'd personally love to see less of the current 4 stats on gear formula.

Maybe add unique gear with special stats like instead of:

20STR/20VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed

We'll see something like:

-20STR/+40VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed.

Or new stats all together like Enmity, Damage taken -/+, or straight up skill specific gear like "Enhanced Bersek"

[Moqi]

I'd personally love to see less of the current 4 stats on gear formula.

Maybe add unique gear with special stats like instead of:

20STR/20VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed

We'll see something like:

-20STR/+40VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed.

Or new stats all together like Enmity, Damage taken -/+, or straight up skill specific gear like "Enhanced Bersek"

That honestly sounds over complicated/something no one would use once the novelty wears off.

[Eekiki]

I'd personally love to see less of the current 4 stats on gear formula.

Maybe add unique gear with special stats like instead of:

20STR/20VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed

We'll see something like:

-20STR/+40VIT/15ACC/15S.Speed.

Or new stats all together like Enmity, Damage taken -/+, or straight up skill specific gear like "Enhanced Bersek"

FFXI is that way. --->

[Skivvy]

FFXI is that way. --->

XI did a lot of things right, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to see things implemented from a successful* game. No one is asking for a XI clone.

*This point will obviously be debated, but XI has stood the test of time, and is still going strong, eleven years later.

[odintius]

FFXI is that way. --->*FFXIV*<----and wow is this way

Fixed that for you.

[Skivvy]

I can't wait to be ilvl 525! -.-

I really want horizontal progression to be the norm for this game It's annoying playing multiple jobs, and then being behind on most of them as soon as the ilvl increases..yet again. I get this keeps playing people playing longer in theory, but it would be awesome to be able to ADD to your gear sets with expansions, not have to replace them in full each time.

[Genz]

I'm all for horizontal progression (it's the only true "system". Vertical progression is just glamour with numbers) but, to work in FFXIV, it would ask more than just adding new bonus types to equipments.

The jobs "system" (again, it's not a "system" in its current form. It's just glorified fan service) would need a lot of rework. A good equipment system is complementary to a good progression system.

Then, the battles design would need to change too. Horizontal progression allows players to come up with their own solution to win battles. FFXIV doesnt work like this : to win, we only need to guess the developpers' shenanigans.

[Taruranto]

That would also require interesting stats, though.

Righ now it would be pretty useless though, as most job only get 1 decent secondary stat.

[Codek]

Horizontal progression done right -> high development time -> less content successfully released on a regular basis.

Horizontal progress done wrong (rushed/un-balanced) -> BIS builds come out and large amount of content becomes ignored immediately, everyone picks and chooses their fights.

Horizontal progress done wrong (elemental resistance gimmick) -> Simply a handful of barriers/gear checks with no added benefit towards game play, basically what we already have.

Choose your poison...