I... actually really like hunts

[MythToken]

Hunts have really revitalized the game for me, and I think it has expanded the player base.

[Taika]

Why are you in a small group? Form a full party.. get full rewards. Not a hard thing to do. Need to fill up, okay, put your party in PF and you'll get people to fill the slots that are missing.

Because I want to do the content with my FC members. It's finally something we can do together in the open world, without lockouts, without scheduling. We're having a great time chatting in party chat, scouting areas and finding the marks.

As I wrote earlier, I actually like this content. The only thing I don't enjoy is the mass LSs that try to monopolise the whole content and make everyone play it their way. I've seen them run in and claim the mark so that the person who actually found it gets no credit whatsoever and resetting mobs to prevent groups that found and claimed the monster first from getting credit. In my eyes that's not "fair play" or something I'd like to join in.

[Ecks007]

Because I want to do the content with my FC members. It's finally something we can do together in the open world, without lockouts, without scheduling. We're having a great time chatting in party chat, scouting areas and finding the marks.

As I wrote earlier, I actually like this content. The only thing I don't enjoy is the mass LSs that try to monopolise the whole content and make everyone play it their way.

You are what's wrong with hunts. Now listen. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having members from your FC in your party to do the hunts with you, having fun and having a good time. But.. if even with those FC members you still don't have a full party, you should fill it up to be a full party, it doesn't matter if it's with randoms or perhaps some non FC friends you've got, if you even have any. There are likely several other parties out there all looking for the same Hunt monster and they all want to be able to fight it and kill it, and get the full credit for killing it. It is possible to achieve this in a civil and respectable manner, where everyone wins or at the least almost everyone does. Given a fair amount of time between when a mob is located and subsequently broadcast to other LS/FC chats (this is going to happen, unless you are somehow able to get your whole small little group there without anyone noticing or finding the NM), and you give a fair amount of time for people to show up (1-2 minutes at most, since generally because of teleporting, places aren't that hard to reach).

By that time, you've given a fair amount of time for others to gather, and you'll likely see them and see the chat that others are on the way. Well, assuming nobody else pulls at this point you can either pull and initiate the NM's demise or tough it out til the very last bit of slackers makes it, if you are feeling particularly generous. That is, again, assuming nobody else gets that itchy trigger finger and pulls the mob "accidentally" or whatever nonsense.

Once the mob is pulled it's very easy to get max credit if your party is already there, just max dps as best you can and you'll get max credit. Each and every party that does this with enough members present and actively participating from the start of the combat initiation will ALL receive max credit. I have been in more than enough hunt parties with complete randoms as well as friends to know that doesn't change, as long as you're in a full party and the majority of your party's members are able to participate the entire fight, you get full credit from the kill. Even if you arrived late enough and could only get 1-3 small hits off on the mob before it died, yet the rest of your party was there you will still receive full credit.

What ruins the NM hunts are parties that arrive at the NM and immediately engage, while other people are being told about where the NM is since they found it at the same time or before hand and were actually waiting on others to show up. And because of a handfull of greedy, impatient people, multitudes of others arrive only to find the NM died just before they reached it. Or they do reach it but are only able to hit it once or twice before it dies and receive a small fraction of the possible reward making the whole trip out to the NM a complete waste of time. That is what ruins the fun of these things. Oh sure, the small group that pulled it and killed it immediately can probably say they had fun, and they apparently like and enjoy ruining the vast majority of other peoples fun as well. Well congratulations, you'd get the D bag award. If that's your idea of fun, you'd fully deserve all the angry vibes being sent your way.

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I've seen them run in and claim the mark so that the person who actually found it gets no credit whatsoever and resetting mobs to prevent groups that found and claimed the monster first from getting credit. In my eyes that's not "fair play" or something I'd like to join in.

Now, there might be this workaround for small non full parties, that if they get the claim they can still get full credit? I don't know personally, I haven't been in a small group that had to try and always get claims. Why? Because that's dumb and extremely risky.

However, if you are in a full party, then it doesn't matter if you "found it" but didn't get to claim it. If your party is there (and a full party) if you attack once the NM is pulled and keep attacking until its dead, you still get full credit. All claiming does is make the target red to your party, displaying to your party only that "Hey, your party was the first the pull this mob." It may entitle you to feel like you can slack off a bit, perhaps (assuming that just claiming a mob will get you full credit, which personally I don't believe).

[Alipoprocks]

Also, Taika misunderstands the reset. The reset is not done to steal credit. It is done to give people enough time to get to the mob, which if the mob hadn't been pulled early wouldn't have been done.

[Vahlnir]

Also, Taika misunderstands the reset. The reset is not done to steal credit. It is done to give people enough time to get to the mob, which if the mob hadn't been pulled early wouldn't have been done.

Yeah, that helps a good bit having others do this when people are impatient, there's very few "accidental" pulls from what I've noticed. :P Has gotten me credit I would have otherwise lost, as well as others in various groups. I will admit certain FC/LS groups will reset just to be jerks, however...and for what it's worth I haven't participated with players who do this for a negative reaction. To the OP, I think the Hunt is fun...while you're in a group, and it isn't your server's prime time. Otherwise, pass.

[Krr]

Also, Taika misunderstands the reset. The reset is not done to steal credit. It is done to give people enough time to get to the mob, which if the mob hadn't been pulled early wouldn't have been done.

The reset is done maliciously to solo players or small (4-8man) groups by the zerg with the intended manpower (4-8 people) to fight the hunt mob they were fighting for several minutes before the zerg came along and found it, on a regular basis on my server. They then lose credit because they aren't participating in the sick game of 'everyone spam medica on the thing I found with radar'.

There are absolutely valid uses for a reset, but do not misconstrue the zerg as beneficial to the public. The zerg is beneficial to the people in it and damn everyone else.

[Alipoprocks]

The reset is done maliciously to solo players or small (4-8man) groups by the zerg with the intended manpower (4-8 people) to fight the hunt mob they were fighting for several minutes before the zerg came along and found it, on a regular basis on my server. They then lose credit because they aren't participating in the sick game of 'everyone spam medica on the thing I found with radar'.

There are absolutely valid uses for a reset, but do not misconstrue the zerg as beneficial to the public. The zerg is beneficial to the people in it and damn everyone else.

Why try to solo group content?

[Giyari]

So much aggression between the two groups.

It's a shame there is no 'renegade" mode where you hunt hunters but are unable to farm NMs.

Personally Id pay to see 2 groups battle it out, I mean you guys already have issues with each other, might as well have fun.

There really isn't any point in arguing, you are dealing with people who are clearly bias towards hunts, if you are an outsider, you are a piece of garbage to them.

[Boobooman]

I like hunts... simple as it. Rewards are good, a little to good maybe but i aint complaining, Sure you may miss a hunt here or there by an early pull, its not the end of the world!

[Illya]

Hunts have really revitalized the game for me, and I think it has expanded the player base.

The player base was always there, but they were all locked up in small scale instances. Hunts have really brought the players out into the open world to see and be seen.