I... actually really like hunts

[Ecks007]

I like the idea of hunts. I love getting in a group and racing to the Elite Marks, fighting them and killing them. That's fun.

But on my server it's only fun at certain times. There are times of the day where players actually wait a little bit before pulling mobs, even on B ranks. But then there are other times of the day, when the "kiddoes" as I call them, wake up and start doing hunts with zero patience and a complete greed mentality, these are the times it's not fun. Not when you are still on your way to a location along with 20+ other players and by the time you arrive at the mob it's either dead or you get maybe 2-3 attacks off on it before it dies and end up getting only a small fraction of seals as a reward. All because someone pulled it and didn't bother waiting for anyone outside of their immediate group to arrive before fighting it. Those times it's not fun, nor worth the effort of going to the mob.

I understand that apparently it's not like this on some servers, and then on other servers it's like this all of the time. It's a bit of a 50/50 on my server, but once it starts getting bad you just pretty much have to quit and participate later after the "kiddoes" have all logged off. Then I can get back to actually having fun with the hunts with people who understand patience and respect.

[Davorok]

I like the idea of hunts....(but) Not when you are still on your way to a location along with 20+ other players and by the time you arrive at the mob it's either dead or you get maybe 2-3 attacks off on it before it dies and end up getting only a small fraction of seals as a reward. All because someone pulled it and didn't bother waiting for anyone outside of their immediate group to arrive before fighting it. Those times it's not fun, nor worth the effort of going to the mob.

A Rank Elites = 4 man PT to take down (originally solo)

B Rank Elites = 8 man PT to take down (originally 4)

S Rank Elites (very rare) = 8+ players to take down.

There is absolutely no reason to "wait for the horde"... in fact players not in a massive Hunt LS are hurting themselves if they do so. Meanwhile the "Hunt LS Hordes" get full credit for just a few hits because the Healers in those parties spam spells which clog up the screen with effects which causes the Mark to disappear and then no one outside those PT's can even target the damn thing let alone get any credit.

The "Hunt LS Hordes" are monopolizing this content and (many) are benefiting with very little input. I'm pretty sure this is not "working as intended". Sure it's "fun" for those of you getting full credit but it's not fun for everyone else and telling them to join a Hunt LS is not the solution.

I however, do have a possible solution... allow multiple (2 or 3) Elite Marks to spawn at the same time (in different areas of the maps, of course) to even out the playing field a bit and spread out "the horde".

[NintenPyjak64]

Meanwhile the "Hunt LS Hordes" get full credit for just a few hits because the Healers in those parties spam spells which clog up the screen with effects which causes the Mark to disappear and then no one outside those PT's can even target the damn thing let alone get any credit.

Easy fix: Go to your settings and turn off all battle effects but your own. Having trouble seeing the mob? Be PLD, turn on Shield Oath and spam flash where the mob should be (look at the direction where people are attacking)

[Thalesia]

A Rank Elites = 4 man PT to take down (originally solo)

B Rank Elites = 8 man PT to take down (originally 4)

S Rank Elites (very rare) = 8+ players to take down.

There is absolutely no reason to "wait for the horde"... in fact players not in a massive Hunt LS are hurting themselves if they do so. Meanwhile the "Hunt LS Hordes" get full credit for just a few hits because the Healers in those parties spam spells which clog up the screen with effects which causes the Mark to disappear and then no one outside those PT's can even target the damn thing let alone get any credit.

The "Hunt LS Hordes" are monopolizing this content and (many) are benefiting with very little input. I'm pretty sure this is not "working as intended". Sure it's "fun" for those of you getting full credit but it's not fun for everyone else and telling them to join a Hunt LS is not the solution.

I however, do have a possible solution... allow multiple (2 or 3) Elite Marks to spawn at the same time (in different areas of the maps, of course) to even out the playing field a bit and spread out "the horde".

Don't let your guard down, the "mind hive" will learn to do the 1 -> 2 -> 3 priority thing.

I think the easy would be a cap on the seals, so all ppl can get the marks done on a full week, that would "fix", no more zergs, mobs will be alive more at the end of the week...

[Ecks007]

A Rank Elites = 4 man PT to take down (originally solo)

B Rank Elites = 8 man PT to take down (originally 4)

S Rank Elites (very rare) = 8+ players to take down.

That is MINIMUM needed. Also.. I think you have your A and B mixed up. Not to mention B's are still able to be soloed, it just takes a little bit longer.

There is absolutely no reason to "wait for the horde"... in fact players not in a massive Hunt LS are hurting themselves if they do so. Meanwhile the "Hunt LS Hordes" get full credit for just a few hits because the Healers in those parties spam spells which clog up the screen with effects which causes the Mark to disappear and then no one outside those PT's can even target the damn thing let alone get any credit.

We do this at nights on our server, where there are still anywhere from 2-5 full parties out tracking hunt monsters. At night/early morning players are curtious enough to wait a few minutes while the other parties gather up. There is a limit to tolerance though, no one's going to wait 5 minutes for someone to get there before pulling. It's usually 1-2 at most because that's at most how long it takes to reach a mob once it's been announced. I am not even a part of any Hunt LS, however many of the players I regularly play with are. The only players having a hard time with hunts are PS3 players, and well, there's not much I can do about a hardware issue.

Do you know what happens when people wait for others to gather up before pulling and killing the hunt monster? Everyone gets full credit and is happy that they didn't get jipped. There is nothing bad about that.

[Taika]

Do you know what happens when people wait for others to gather up before pulling and killing the hunt monster? Everyone gets full credit and is happy that they didn't get jipped. There is nothing bad about that.

If I wait for the hunt LS groups to get there before pulling the mark I or my group has found, they will claim it and yeah, they will get full reward but not me or my group (at least if I'm not in full party).

If I found it, I'll claim it. If someone else found it, I'll wait for them to claim and take what I'll get. But it's simply dishonest to claim small groups won't lose by waiting for 50 other people to get there.

[Ecks007]

If I wait for the hunt LS groups to get there before pulling the mark I or my group has found, they will claim it and yeah, they will get full reward but not me or my group (at least if I'm not in full party).

If I found it, I'll claim it. If someone else found it, I'll wait for them to claim and take what I'll get. But it's simply dishonest to claim small groups won't lose by waiting for 50 other people to get there.

Why are you in a small group? Form a full party.. get full rewards. Not a hard thing to do. Need to fill up, okay, put your party in PF and you'll get people to fill the slots that are missing.

I don't know if Hunts were intended to be fought will small parties considering the way the contributions work, and since they benefit larger, full parties, then you should be going in a full party and not trying to do it in a small group and claim for yourself while other people are doing the hunts as well. If you want to go that route, then fine I guess. It's not efficient or helpful to anyone but your group. If you try to quickly get claim just so you have the tag because your party is 4 or less players. Not to mention you're going to quickly gather a reputation as a player who doesn't wait and generally are going to piss people off that also want to participate in the hunts. So.. good luck with that.

If you still are of the mindset that "Well I should be able to go as a small group and get full credit." Then I can't help you, the system doesn't work that way and won't until it gets some kind of change to it that allows for that. Right now it doesn't and in fact punishes you for not being able to add as much dps to the target. That's just the way it works. So go with the flow or get left behind. But that doesn't mean respect for others has to go away. Making a full party is simple. Waiting for a few minutes is simple, yet people can't seem to grasp that it benefits others while nothing negative happens to you when you are already there at the mob anyway. In a small party? Well better start inviting people that are shouting to get invited to fill up so you get full credit, or do the PF like I already suggested.

[Taika]

Why are you in a small group? Form a full party.. get full rewards. Not a hard thing to do. Need to fill up, okay, put your party in PF and you'll get people to fill the slots that are missing.

Because I want to do the content with my FC members. It's finally something we can do together in the open world, without lockouts, without scheduling. We're having a great time chatting in party chat, scouting areas and finding the marks.

As I wrote earlier, I actually like this content. The only thing I don't enjoy is the mass LSs that try to monopolise the whole content and make everyone play it their way. I've seen them run in and claim the mark so that the person who actually found it gets no credit whatsoever and resetting mobs to prevent groups that found and claimed the monster first from getting credit. In my eyes that's not "fair play" or something I'd like to join in.

[Ecks007]

Because I want to do the content with my FC members. It's finally something we can do together in the open world, without lockouts, without scheduling. We're having a great time chatting in party chat, scouting areas and finding the marks.

As I wrote earlier, I actually like this content. The only thing I don't enjoy is the mass LSs that try to monopolise the whole content and make everyone play it their way.

You are what's wrong with hunts. Now listen. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having members from your FC in your party to do the hunts with you, having fun and having a good time. But.. if even with those FC members you still don't have a full party, you should fill it up to be a full party, it doesn't matter if it's with randoms or perhaps some non FC friends you've got, if you even have any. There are likely several other parties out there all looking for the same Hunt monster and they all want to be able to fight it and kill it, and get the full credit for killing it. It is possible to achieve this in a civil and respectable manner, where everyone wins or at the least almost everyone does. Given a fair amount of time between when a mob is located and subsequently broadcast to other LS/FC chats (this is going to happen, unless you are somehow able to get your whole small little group there without anyone noticing or finding the NM), and you give a fair amount of time for people to show up (1-2 minutes at most, since generally because of teleporting, places aren't that hard to reach).

By that time, you've given a fair amount of time for others to gather, and you'll likely see them and see the chat that others are on the way. Well, assuming nobody else pulls at this point you can either pull and initiate the NM's demise or tough it out til the very last bit of slackers makes it, if you are feeling particularly generous. That is, again, assuming nobody else gets that itchy trigger finger and pulls the mob "accidentally" or whatever nonsense.

Once the mob is pulled it's very easy to get max credit if your party is already there, just max dps as best you can and you'll get max credit. Each and every party that does this with enough members present and actively participating from the start of the combat initiation will ALL receive max credit. I have been in more than enough hunt parties with complete randoms as well as friends to know that doesn't change, as long as you're in a full party and the majority of your party's members are able to participate the entire fight, you get full credit from the kill. Even if you arrived late enough and could only get 1-3 small hits off on the mob before it died, yet the rest of your party was there you will still receive full credit.

What ruins the NM hunts are parties that arrive at the NM and immediately engage, while other people are being told about where the NM is since they found it at the same time or before hand and were actually waiting on others to show up. And because of a handfull of greedy, impatient people, multitudes of others arrive only to find the NM died just before they reached it. Or they do reach it but are only able to hit it once or twice before it dies and receive a small fraction of the possible reward making the whole trip out to the NM a complete waste of time. That is what ruins the fun of these things. Oh sure, the small group that pulled it and killed it immediately can probably say they had fun, and they apparently like and enjoy ruining the vast majority of other peoples fun as well. Well congratulations, you'd get the D bag award. If that's your idea of fun, you'd fully deserve all the angry vibes being sent your way.

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I've seen them run in and claim the mark so that the person who actually found it gets no credit whatsoever and resetting mobs to prevent groups that found and claimed the monster first from getting credit. In my eyes that's not "fair play" or something I'd like to join in.

Now, there might be this workaround for small non full parties, that if they get the claim they can still get full credit? I don't know personally, I haven't been in a small group that had to try and always get claims. Why? Because that's dumb and extremely risky.

However, if you are in a full party, then it doesn't matter if you "found it" but didn't get to claim it. If your party is there (and a full party) if you attack once the NM is pulled and keep attacking until its dead, you still get full credit. All claiming does is make the target red to your party, displaying to your party only that "Hey, your party was the first the pull this mob." It may entitle you to feel like you can slack off a bit, perhaps (assuming that just claiming a mob will get you full credit, which personally I don't believe).