Thread: 1.0 Stroyline Information

Originally Posted by LillithCale

I feel like the idea that there are other continents than what we've seen or even been given concepts of is a much more viable idea then coming to accepting the fact that Garleans control all of the world but that within Eorzea. Though as you pointed out there are smaller independent areas that evade it as well. Though, I would find pretty strange that a great empire could take over so much of the world, even facing off against Primals not found in Eorzea (if I read that write up correctly), just to get to where we go and have their plans foiled by us rotten kids and our little dog too. So, I think story wise it would make much better sense it's just that the Garleans have taken land in all the areas currently known to us, and unknown, is well, unknown.

There is other continents. We know for sure there's one to the South, Meracydia, that Allag tried to invade at some point.
There's also a "New Continent" recently discovered, to the west. A few thing come from that place, like Nopales or Millioncorn.

Originally Posted by LillithCale

I recall reading that they did in fact attack Gridania, though didn't they do that under the rule of a pretty nutters king? I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but I wouldn't really hold someone personally responsible for doing the bidding of their king, even if it is crazy. That is part of being loyal, but then again I suppose it can also be said that being blindly loyal is pretty bad, I mean, you can't call yourself a good person if you slaughter children at the behest of your crazy king. You'd be loyal, yes, but I don't think you'd be good in the overarching stand-up-guy kinda way. Though I am rambling, aren't I? Erm, moving on, I had absolutely no clue that Raubahn was from Al Mhigo! See how much I am learning already? The fact that he brought back Royalism is pretty neat, though why did Royalism fade in the first place? Is it because so many became obsessed with wealth?

In people's mind, it's probably all the same : they attacked, and killed a lot of us. If they're just following orders or not won't erase the fact they were ennemies.
For Royalism, it's much more that Raubahn is the only *real* supporter of the Sultana. His voice usually reflects what the Sultana wants, and he has an important position, so he reinforces her position simply by being here. And yes, it's because of wealth if they stopped caring about it. Gil is the only rule of Ul'dah :P　

Originally Posted by LillithCale

Kinda had a derrrr moment right there. I don't know why I didn't realize he wouldn't be a primal considering the fact that, yeah, there is a skeleton. Though, touching on what you mention down below, do you think it be possible for him to ever come back to life if people (or Dragons) started praying to him and offering him aether like they do for primals? On the note of Dragons, I would really like to see more intelligent dragons. And some non-hostile ones to boot. I'm sure there would be so much those guys could explain to us.

The answer to this question is "we don't know". I'd say yes, with the informations we currently have from the summoning of Moggle Mog XII, though it probably wouldn't affect the skeleton itself but create an aetherial being resembling Midgardsormr.
　

Originally Posted by LillithCale

Hmm, that is really interesting. It's like a system that is completely based on belief, and the power of that belief being the fuel for something to come into being while the aether is like the catalyst. In the post above yours, Morningstar makes mention that there is a theory that the 12 are primals, and I think there could be some truth to that. I mean, if they were going to be summoned in the same type of ritual that primals are summoned with, wouldn't that lend credence to such a theory? Though, as you pointed out, the debacle with Good King Moggle Mog does seem to show there is something more to being a primal than just being the visage that has been created via the prayers of those desperate to find something to pray too. Perhaps besides needing the aether to manifest there is a certain aspect,( ie: desperation, hope, fear, anger) that must be present to call upon a certain type of primal?

We know "Primals" are called "Primal" because the beasttribe who pray them believe they were the one creating the world and giving them life. This is the same as what we think about the Twelve, so in a sense they're similar.
The fact they can also be summoned put them in the camp of "aetherial beings". My idea would be that if enough people believe in something, it sorts of exist and can be summoned using Aether. You believe in the Twelve? Summon them. You believe in the primals? Same. Take Ifrit, what is summoned is the collective belief of their god, and its representation. Once Ifrit is defeated, this "Ifrit blueprint" goes back to the aetherial realm, waiting to be summoned again. That'd explain why Moogles summoned their King, who looked like a King and everything, without being a primal. This is theory, though.

Originally Posted by LillithCale

It seems like there is a lot of mystery and speculation surrounding that song. And it's a pretty beautiful song too, it makes me tear up everytime I hear it (Imma wuss), I recall hearing that back when 1.0 was going to be shut down, all of the music in the fields had turned into a distorted vision of answers. Was there ever a canonical reason for that? Like, could the characters in the story actually hear that singing or was it just something they did for shut down?

I don't recall reading anything showing the music was also heard by the NPC/players. I'll assume it was to add the the (already awesome) feeling of danger and end of the world atmosphere there was at the time. Consider it happened at the same time as Garlemald invaded many areas, the Aetheryte camps were invaded by Atomos, and a big ass moon and meteor shower were falling from the sky.
　

Originally Posted by LillithCale

So Rowena has been working for someone all this time? Or, rather, got her start working for someone. Hmm, that's really interesting and an Ishgardian no less? Isn't that were Shiva is going to be making an apperance? Do we know who this nobel actually is or is he just a shadowy figure we have a vague concept of?

Don't start making wild speculations about it. She was already working for an Ishgardian noble in 1.0, and back then there was nothing related to Shiva in Coerthas or anything. They probably just kept that cannon, to explain where she procured the armours and why she sells all this stuff. There's probably nothing more to the story.

Originally Posted by LillithCale

It's meeeeee? *gasps and goes wide eyed* Ooooooh!
But on a more serious note, I honestly had no idea. I know we get called the Bringer of Light and what not, but i never really put two and two together, and usually when I did, I got five. Now, is it meant to be that your character and ONLY your character is a Bringer of Light or is it implied that there are more? I recall in one of the opening scenes in 2.0, where you are floating with Hydaelyn and she gives you a crystal, you see other characters wizzing about as well. Are they all echo users and Bringers of Light as well? I know in the old closing and the new opening, we still five characters battling with Louisoix and I get that these are the Heros of Light. Are our characters suppose to be one of these Heros of Light or are we new in all this? I heard someone say once that 1.0 characters who got to a certain point in the story were the ones considered the Heros of Light and characters made in 2.0 were something different from, but likened to, a Hero of Light.

The "Daybreak" itself would probably be you, the hero who gathered the Crystals of Light and used them, along with Hydaelyn power to (temporarily) defeat Lahabrea and put an end to the Garlean progression in Eorzea, thus opening the way to an Astral Era.
Now though, there's other Warrior of Lights around here. Specifically, the adventurers who took part in Carteneau Flats battle. They just call you a Warrior of Light at the end of the MSQ because you're what's closer of it and you earned the title for saving the realm if you're new, or because they genuinely remember you, in case you were in 1.0 and completed the Lunar Transmitter quest (that means in game, you were part of the battle)

Reading the first page of responses, I had this fresh in my memory when I was finally able to join a competent T5 group in PF and clear it. You are referred to several times by Alisae and Urianger as our Sword in the Darkness in the quests following Twintania's defeat. It seemed to remind me that Hydaelyn actually says "...make of thee a blade of light." in the post final battle cutscenes.

There are many references to what lies beneath Cartenau as well, which ties in conveniently with what we know of Omega. But that could do with a thread of its own.

Hey Moose, have you considered opening a Patreon to fund your lore work? Might be a good use of a few months and I'd be glad to donate.

On the subject of the size of Garlemald: they absolutely do not control "the world aside from Eorzea". We know, definitively, of the "New World" to the west of Eorzea thanks to item descriptions (popotoes are from there!); of Thavnair, which seems to be an archipelago in the "sea" between and to the south of the connected Three Great Continents and which is not ruled by Garlemald; of Meracydia, the location of which is unclear but was, from what can be inferred in-game, ravaged by an army of Allagan-enslaved dragons in Xande's time and possibly never recovered; and we also know that the Roegadyn, Lalafell and Mi'qote came from "elsewhere" and arrived in Eorzea comparatively recently, at earliest during the Fifth Astral. There's a lot of land the Garleans have never even touched. Garlemald is big - two continents is a lot of territory - but it hardly covers "the entire world". The plan for them, even, is to conquer Eorzea before considering lands beyond the Great Continents - mostly because they don't want Eorzea to backstab them while trying to expand elsewhere.