A massively.com write up on why hunts are ruining this game

[Kajukai]

There will be some changes about hunting, that people may like, but who knows, everyone is crying anyways. That's part of every MMO. SE wants the people to be i110 before 2.4. So What's the problem? The ones who cleared Coil are i110 already - No problem imo. I think the people who cry, are mostly to lazy to farm. But daily bills will be increased & the amount of seals you get from the elite marks.

[Lemuria]

I think the people who cry, are mostly to lazy to farm.

Only an idiot would assume this. The reality is that only a handful actually get any credit for these kills. Unless you're at the fight within 30 seconds, you're out. Good luck even trying to get a hit in. The mob, even with their supposedly 'boosted' HP, will die within moments of being spawned. Even if you happen to be in a team which finds the mob first, the individuals need to gather to fight it, since if you're not present when it dies you still don't get credit regardless of what your team did.

Good luck pulling that off when there are countless other teams all vying for the same mob.

[Shyluv]

Only an idiot would assume this. The reality is that only a handful actually get any credit for these kills. Unless you're at the fight within 30 seconds, you're out. Good luck even trying to get a hit in. The mob, even with their supposedly 'boosted' HP, will die within moments of being spawned. Even if you happen to be in a team which finds the mob first, the individuals need to gather to fight it, since if you're not present when it dies you still don't get credit regardless of what your team did.

Good luck pulling that off when there are countless other teams all vying for the same mob.

For that you either need to accept that you win some, you lose some. Or you need to join better, more organized groups. As a WHM it's incredibly easy to get full credit as long as at least half of your group is there. Do a SC medica 2, stone 2, then benediction whoever the target is targeting.

[Seibah]

Only an idiot would assume this. The reality is that only a handful actually get any credit for these kills.

The reality is actually that it's pretty easy for everyone to get credit if they're in a full party of 8 and everyone arrives before the hunt is pulled. And there are times this will actually happen, I've seen it happen during late night-early morning groups all the time. And yes, I realize this is often not the case, but uh...you win some, you lose some. Can't have everything and just need to be grateful for what you do get.

The reality of hunts are that when everyone works together, it works out pretty well, actually. And when they don't, it's a disaster. But it doesn't change that hunts are designed in a way that, when organized, allow most if not everyone to get full credit because the contrubution needed to be given by one person is very minimal. I pulled off maybe..a rotation and some auto attacks on an S hunt, got KO'd, warped back to my home point like a moron, tele'd back to the area, and on my way back to the enemy it was killed. Still got all my seals and tomes from it.

[Kajukai]

Only an idiot would assume this. The reality is that only a handful actually get any credit for these kills. Unless you're at the fight within 30 seconds, you're out. Good luck even trying to get a hit in. The mob, even with their supposedly 'boosted' HP, will die within moments of being spawned. Even if you happen to be in a team which finds the mob first, the individuals need to gather to fight it, since if you're not present when it dies you still don't get credit regardless of what your team did.

Good luck pulling that off when there are countless other teams all vying for the same mob.

Yes you need to best fast, because sometimes someone pulls early and everyone burns the mob down within minutes. But usually (at least when I am hunting) people wait 3 minutes, and that's totally enough. Everyone wants people to wait, but that's just not going to work. It's good to be in at least 2 linkshells, helps a lot. Anyways, maybe when the daily bills are increased (soon i hope) people will not complain that much. Hundreds of "Hunting Sucks"-Threads are annoying. SE will do something soon, it is really not needed to create more threads.

[HeroSamson]

I actually don't take joystiq seriously never have never will.

[Shyluv]

I really don't see how it's ruining the rest of the content. My queue times haven't changed at all. Even the party finder is normal. At most, I've seen no more than 4 different hunt parties up simultaneously. With the rest being Levi EX, Moogle EX, SBCOB turns, AV or DD first room clears to level 50, Syrcus tower, and even still Garuda EX, Titan EX and Ifrit EX. Oh, and also treasure hunts.

Even if they hadn't added hunts, the only reason people would be doing Ramuh EX is for something new to do. You could still get the item to upgrade the accessory in Syrcus tower, still leaving Ramuh's items useless or a side grade.

[Krr]

For the dozenth time, the problem for me isn't that hunts are giving "handouts". It's that hunts have obsoleted other content to the point where even finding a group for it has become more cumbersome than it really should be. The only people doing Ramuh are folks who want clears and a vast minority after ponies and weapon skins; the only people doing listings for SCOB or T5 groups are rare progress statics who need gaps filled on an exceptionally bad attendance day. I'm pretty sure I've even seen my queue times for leveling roulettes go up the roof. And I'm lucky enough to be on a server that has that!

Hell, we're lucky that Syrcus Tower isn't a graveyard yet.

I don't care if you have i115 weapons coming out of your armpits. I just want to play parts of the damn game that aren't the mindless spreadsheet zerg train.

[Felessan]

The fact is that you have one type of content where you can obtain literally EVERYTHING. Tomes, check. Gear, check. Raid items, check.

This is simply lie.
There are 3 type of reward:
1. Casual stuff like almost obsolete ilvl90 equip and choko reset stone
2. Fancy stuff, as usual for SE very expensive - glamour gear (no person in sane mind will say that ilvl *70* gear for hundreds of seals is something valuable by its own and not it's look), minions etc
3. Upgrade items - namely sands and oil. Only 2 items. Subject to soildiery cap.
No real gear, no raid class weapons, there are literally no actual rewards for hunts but the ability to upgrade only your existing soldiery gear.
You can't even get something like ilvl100 gear for you offspec, if you don't have free soldiery, you can't get *anything* that will upgrade you, from hunts.

I really don't see how it's ruining the rest of the content.

People just like to cry.
Casuals don't care about hunts. I have a social LS where there only like 3-4 people who do hunts and rest are doing their usual routine because they are either too casual, do catch-up after a break or uninterested in such massive investment of time. On other hand i have raiding FC where people actively hunt. But... they hunt for 3 hours, raid for 3 hours, some craft, do roulettes and other typical activities. Only a very small portion of people, counted in tens at max, do nothing but hunts.

[Etupa]

Quite the same (really worst) has happened to PvP player's with level sync... Every body found it fair and awesome.