first of all the 30 second thing is anything but hyperbole. If you are fighting a rare NM and all the DPS go all out from the start no matter WHAT game you are playing one of the DPS WILL take hate. The 30 second thing was used a lot just to make sure WE DO NOT LOSE and have to start the whole fight again. (doesnt have to be 30 secs it can be 10 secs or 1 whole min.) it was used in FF11 a lot.. hell there was even some battles that DPS could not even attack..... When you are fighting something that can kill a tank in 1 or 2 hits your goal as a DPS is to be absolutely sure you do NOT take hate. and if that means backing off then you must back off... its not the games fault you suck and chose to go crazy.

OT: great thread and I agree with it. However cure 3 and other cures take up way to much hate IMHO. Lower that a little bit and im good with the system.