Thread: 1.18: Wipe your tears and open your eyes!

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

No, I do not.

It was a viable strategy to be safe rather than sorry before this patch, and is now a more effective strategy. If 20-30 seconds of no DPS drastically increases the chance that I will not lose hate from a boss mob/NM which will take a matter of 5 minutes at least to kill, than I will definitely go with it.

I'm sorry but, I find mindless zerging with everyone in the party constantly attacking at maximum output to "maximize DPS" to be neither enjoyable, nor exciting.

Perhaps you need to re-evaluate how you think a strategic battle should play out?

I'm pretty sure across my entire MMO career "let the tank establish hate before going all out" has been an industry standard...

Personally my LS has handled the change well and starting dropping Ogre boss in DHold. On the second day, for me personally as an Archer I took 15 minutes of running around a R40 area and killing mobs to re-figure out my class and learn how to optimize DPS and it worked really well for me. I recommend anyone who is currently uneasy with the game to go out with a small group and grind on some mobs and get the feel for your class rather than jump directly into the dungeon, but then again my LS did that and got the hang of things really quick. This actually goes with the ability of learning and adapting to things, people learn in different ways and that is what I am suggesting.

That goes for the tanks that are complaining and the DD who cannot manage their hate levels effectively in which causes them to die or get damaged so much that the healers are complaining about being a Mage and being nerfed because they are always out of MP from casting Raise and Curing the people that shouldn't need to be cured. It is a chain effect, tank can't hold hate properly, DD going nuts because they don't understand the changes in the new tanking style, and the healers who are mad because they are always out of MP.

Originally Posted by syntaxlies

so you saying that enmity is not broken you just have to rank 4 classes to get enough skills to tank? gotcha.

No, I am saying enmity is not broken just because you have to do more than spam two vokes to hold hate.

I am saying getting certain skills from other classes will help you tank better.

I am saying GLA is efficient at tanking, but it was not built solely around tanking. It's a class, not a Job.

I think enmity is broken when i lose threat to someone (a healer go figure), they start standing there so I can get it back, and it somehow takes 4 provokes, 4 disorients, 1 taunt, 2 accomplices, a heavy stab, heavy slash, 2 weaponskills, warmonger and 2 war drums and healing that healer myself as he got punched in the face to finally get it back.... Half way through doing all that i finally became yellow on the threat meter again. I can only think that someone accompliced me too, but if i cant get it back after all that it couldn't have been accomplice. fortunately that has only happened once. Tho i'd say it was a bug that hasn't been repeated in that intensity.

Originally Posted by Reika

I think enmity is broken when i lose threat to someone (a healer go figure), they start standing there so I can get it back, and it somehow takes 4 provokes, 4 disorients, 1 taunt, 2 accomplices, a heavy stab, heavy slash, 2 weaponskills, warmonger and 2 war drums and healing that healer myself as he got punched in the face to finally get it back.... Half way through doing all that i finally became yellow on the threat meter again. I can only think that someone accompliced me too, but if i cant get it back after all that it couldn't have been accomplice. fortunately that has only happened once. Tho i'd say it was a bug that hasn't been repeated in that intensity.

Enmity is very damage based too now. Throw in some weaponskills that generate extra enmity, like Barrage, Phalanx, Jarring Strike, etc.

In general, it is known that not all mobs have the same enmity patterns so there's a learning curve,

Originally Posted by Reika

Read that again please... It was with the ogre btw. no hate wipe skills. I had a few mins of hate built up already, and he took me down to green in threat. Plus we had 3 healers, he was near full on MP.

Yea, idk what to tell you then. We've done the ogre fight over a dozen times and hate management was never an issue after the first attempt for us. We simply allow the tank to take initial hate, including curing himself with a tier 2/3 a couple times. The tank uses accomplice regularly on our mages.

I even tanked it once myself on PGL after our first couple runs and had no trouble holding hate. The difficulty for us was always survival when he started spamming Inferno Drop at lower HP.

Also idk if it's just your wording, but if you are tanking nobody should be using Accomplice on you. You should be using Accomplice on the mages.

Just the wording. I was saying it might have happened because someone decided to use accomplice on me, but after using a few myself after it should have been hard getting it back, especially on some one just standing there waiting til i get it back. Like I said, that only happened once.