Good thread for general THM/BLM skill bar - rotations

[dehlert]

Hey all, I am working on my first legit dps class (I have a summoner but that doesnt count as i played scholar) and I see many threads for black mages but was having issues finding a good skill bar loadout and rotation. I imagine the answers are right in front of me but even so a rotation would be nice for both single and group dps.

[Defteros]

I dunno at wich level your BLM is, but the rotation itself it's so obvious and easy it hurts.

start with thunder2, fire 3 - fire-fire-ect till you get around 100 mp - blizzard3 and repeat (that works on single targets)
someone likes to start rotation with blizzard 3, because you can cast the next thunder for free(theorically) and fire 3 is casted faster this way...
it's something you shoul try yourself, still, until you decide which way you prefer...

as for groups of mobs, I personally start with thunder2 (nobody throws away a thunder3 proc, gurl), then fire3-fire2-fire2 (you can cast it 3 or 4 times until you are low on mana, i don't remeber exactly xD) then,when you are around 300/400 mp, swiftcast-flare (or hardcast) - convert (when you can use it) - hardcast flare (or swiftcast if not used previously)

you can thwrow in another hardcasted flare, using an X-ether after the seconf flare, if you see that mobs are hard to go down, but that depends on the other dps in your party xD

[Defteros]

as for cross class skill, Raging Strike & Quelling strikes are your bros.
I personally macroed Raging strikes with Fire, and Quelling Strikes with thunder2 (but you can use it before the flarespam, if you need)

apart from that, eye for an eye and apocastasys on the tank, but they are mostly situational, even more E4E if there's a scholar/summoner in your party.

try to learn how to properly use Aetherial Manipulation, because later on will be BERY IMPORTANT (hello, leviathan ex D
(I actually enjoy using it in Hullbreaker Island when you jump down the cliff before the Kraken, if someone has already jumped down, and you use Aetherial manipulation while falling, FULL HP. it's useless, but It's awesome. lol)


TL;DR Freeze it's crap.
AH, THE WORD LIMIT. I hate it.

[scarebearz]

I dunno at wich level your BLM is, but the rotation itself it's so obvious and easy it hurts.

start with thunder2, fire 3 - fire-fire-ect till you get around 100 mp - blizzard3 and repeat (that works on single targets)
someone likes to start rotation with blizzard 3, because you can cast the next thunder for free(theorically) and fire 3 is casted faster this way...
it's something you shoul try yourself, still, until you decide which way you prefer...

as for groups of mobs, I personally start with thunder2 (nobody throws away a thunder3 proc, gurl), then fire3-fire2-fire2 (you can cast it 3 or 4 times until you are low on mana, i don't remeber exactly xD) then,when you are around 300/400 mp, swiftcast-flare (or hardcast) - convert (when you can use it) - hardcast flare (or swiftcast if not used previously)

you can thwrow in another hardcasted flare, using an X-ether after the seconf flare, if you see that mobs are hard to go down, but that depends on the other dps in your party xD

For something "so obvious and easy it hurts" your sure doing a lot wrong.

Doing Fire I until 100mp will allow you to cast Bliz III, but you'll be stuck waiting before you can re-apply Thunder II. (DPS Loss)

Starting with Thunder for Mass Pulls is really pointless. (DPS Loss)

Using X-Ether is silly, when Mega-Ether gives you MP to cast Flare again and has a lot shorter CD. (DPS Loss, over a longer period)

[Defteros]

a lot like?

please, explain.

judging without explanations it's useless.

[scarebearz]

a lot like?

please, explain.

judging without explanations it's useless.

I was already doing so before you posted this, due to the character limit.

[NyneAlexander]

re: mana pots for extra flare.

Scarebearz is 100% correct. When you only need roughly 269 mp to flare, it comes down to which pot will give you the shortest recast, not the most amount of mana. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the manapot you want is HQ Mega-Ethers, as they have a recast of somewhere around 3:30, which is the shortest you can find for that amount of mana.

Having said that, the only time you really need mana in rotation this fast is for T4, T8 and maybe T9.

[Defteros]

Doing Fire I until 100mp will allow you to cast Bliz III, but you'll be stuck waiting before you can re-apply Thunder II. (DPS Loss)
Starting with Thunder for Mass Pulls is really pointless. (DPS Loss)
Using X-Ether is silly, when Mega-Ether gives you MP to cast Flare again and has a lot shorter CD. (DPS Loss, over a longer period)

1. no you wont.
I always wait till fire lands on the target, so I can use the free fire3 proc when it activates. that means Thunder always end before I finish casting Blizzard 3.
there's no dps loss.
if you have to wait because thunder is still active , you can always throw in a scathe. more mp gain from UI, and no dps loss.

2. you can call it dps loss ( on what, thunder 2 is faster than any other spell you cast, and grants you thunder 3 procs), I call it "more chance to get procs"==more dps. also, it lets the tank take aggro on everything, so less chance you lose aggro because you spam everything.

[Defteros]

3. I don't actually remember the name of the ether xD if I remeber correctly, one gives you 270(280?) mp (that aren't enought for casting flare, and the other one gives you more MPs.. basically, if it regens more than 300 mp, that's the ether I was talking about >_<
also, debating on CDs on an item you rarely use, it's kinda pointless.
5 min cooldown with the NQ, 4.30 min with the HQ, you can do a masspull before the first boss, clear the second boss, do another masspull, cast your 2 flares and you are free to use it again.
if it's still on CD, bummer. nobody will cry if you didn't chaincast 3 flares.

[Defteros]

re: mana pots for extra flare.

Scarebearz is 100% correct. When you only need roughly 269 mp to flare, it comes down to which pot will give you the shortest recast, not the most amount of mana. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the manapot you want is HQ Mega-Ethers, as they have a recast of somewhere around 3:30, which is the shortest you can find for that amount of mana.

Having said that, the only time you really need mana in rotation this fast is for T4, T8 and maybe T9.

mmmh, I always thought you need at least around 300 mp to cast flare...
my bad, I spent more money for the wrong ether xD