Why have Vote Kick if it's almost entirely abused?

[Dimitrii]

Remove it and keep the retards who zone in and then afk (or just try to generally troll by only moving enough times to not get auto kicked for inactivity) so you run the dungeon for them and give them free myth/soldiery? No thanks. Only thing I can think of that maybe they could do to avoid people ganging up on you like what happened to OP is maybe not allow people that come in as a group to be able to utilize vote kick function. The amount of times you run into trolls that need to be kicked vastly outnumber the times the vote kick system has been abused against me in my personal experiences so I would be against removing the function. Then again im usually tank when i use DF since i hate long queues so I'm probably not as likely to be kicked as maybe a dps since i'd generally take longer to replace.

[AlexPayne]

The system does get abused a lot, because there is generally no risk involved. There have been many times I've been in a dungeon and the "Vote to Kick" popup shows to request my vote, for no legitimate reason that I could tell. So I simply cast my "No" vote and hope it ends there. Unfortunately, it usually doesn't, as the chatwar then begins.

Perhaps if when a person is kicked, the DF doesn't begin searching for a replacement for 5 mintues would be a deterrent. People might think twice about kicking if the party member can't be replaced quickly.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

The system does get abused a lot, because there is generally no risk involved. There have been many times I've been in a dungeon and the "Vote to Kick" popup shows to request my vote, for no legitimate reason that I could tell. So I simply cast my "No" vote and hope it ends there. Unfortunately, it usually doesn't, as the chatwar then begins.

Perhaps if when a person is kicked, the DF doesn't begin searching for a replacement for 5 mintues would be a deterrent. People might think twice about kicking if the party member can't be replaced quickly.

The whole point behind kicking someone out is that you want to replace the troublesome member with someone who isn't a jerk ASAP. Using your idea, I could troll people and there would be nothing they could do about it unless they want to take a forced 5 minute or more break waiting for a new member to replace me.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Who would be the party leader on DF?

And - giving too much power over one person - Leaders of a party - the community is bad enough as it is, no need for power trippers.

Party leaders are picked randomly at the start of a duty. People get a power trip vote kicking people out, so I don't think my idea is any worse. If anything, just stick with your FC or linkshell and avoid the idiots of pubs entirely.

[Riepah]

To prevent people from entering an 8 person dungeon entirely AFK, leaving 7 people to either carry them through it, abandon duty after 15 min, or one of them innocently take the 30 minute hit.

[Amnesia]

Why have Vote Kick if it's almost entirely abused?

OK, so you think it was applied incorrectly in your case. Fine.

What is your evidence that it's "almost entirely abused"?

[Saito_S]

Sorry, but if someone is already recovering from a situation gone bad/wipe (and maybe some in the party already KNOW they screwed up and are thinking "Damn, can't believe I screwed that up, rrgh", thus they're already feeling defensive/sore), "or don't stun him" and "flash and overpower traditionally prevent that ;p" could VERY EASILY come across as condescending, not "joking", and could really grate on someone who was already frustrated. You choose your words very, very poorly.

And this really isn't an abuse of the vote/kick system. Is it perhaps a bit overly reactionary on their part to kick you after that exchange? Maybe. But that's a debate on the merits of who said what; that's separate from the issue of "If a player feels that another party member is being abusive or disruptive, and initiates a vote kick, and the other two agree and vote Yes, is that an abuse of the system?" And the answer to that is no. I understand why it's a frustrating situation for you to have found yourself in, but the answer to the question is still no. They thought you were acting in an improper manner, so they kicked you. They have a right to do so. Obviously not everyone will agree on whether or not the specifics of a given situation/conflict merit a kick, but that's life.

And that's all aside from the fact that I have seen or heard from friends about three different instances of someone being vote-kicked because they were being absolutely horrible to someone else in the party, easily demonstrating the reasons why vote kick exists, and of course that's on top of the instances where someone goes offline or just stops moving/doing anything for reasons unknown, etc. Yes, it can be abused; what can't? No system is perfect. Someone would find a way to abuse it no matter how the system in question worked. But in my opinion, the benefits of this system existing far outweigh the negatives.

[Duncs]

Well I've only been playing the game for a month a half and have only had one instance of a player being kicked. But it took the entirety of Toto-Rak before we finally decided on kicking him. Basically he was the healer and the only time he cast cure was when he healed himself, it reminded me of this actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHpPKgi-niI.

We gave him the benefit of the doubt and got to to the final boss, which he triggered solo and used limit break. So we gave him half an hour of grace before we were 100% that he was trolling. Upon which he was kicked as we would have struggled without a healer for the boss.

[Estellios]

Vote kick is very useful thank you very much. It helped a Toto-rak group I was in boot the speed-running-without-asking tank who, after complaining the entire run that they could have been running leviathan instead, got mad when the BLM accidentally ran into a group of enemies before he pulled and AFK'd since "the blm wants to be puller so he can do it". Also booted a very obnoxious BLM who was being super pushy about speed running in Wanderer's Palace and threatened the whole AFK thing too.

[AlexPayne]

The whole point behind kicking someone out is that you want to replace the troublesome member with someone who isn't a jerk ASAP. Using your idea, I could troll people and there would be nothing they could do about it unless they want to take a forced 5 minute or more break waiting for a new member to replace me.

You just mentioned a legit reason to kick someone. Which would be worth waiting 5 minutes to take care of it, in my opinion. However, waiting 5 minutes because "I don't like his gear" or "he's not a synced 50" or that kind of thing would not be worth it.