Bards need a buff

[Velox]

Bards ARE a DD role, but they have huge support capability. It would be unfair to other DD jobs with lesser support capability if BRD did equal damage. You have to give something to get something, that is the essence of balance in MMOs.

Bards also have the highest up-time of any DD and some of the highest survivability (due to having the greatest mobility). Again, are you willing to sacrifice those to have greater DPS?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Bards who know their class through and through can compete properly against other classes. If you simply feel underpowered, I suggest you to experiment with your buffing rotation, order and priority. Practice dummy fights like T8 is a horrible example to compare. look at Titan EX, Garuda EX, T6, T9 or any other fight where you are forced to move or may waste enough time to lose your buffs (monks). In practice, bards are nowhere near bottom of the dps ladder or even far behind any other class when done properly.

[Akesis]

Bards who know their class through and through can compete properly against other classes. If you simply feel underpowered, I suggest you to experiment with your buffing rotation, order and priority. Practice dummy fights like T8 is a horrible example to compare. look at Titan EX, Garuda EX, T6, T9 or any other fight where you are forced to move or may waste enough time to lose your buffs (monks). In practice, bards are nowhere near bottom of the dps ladder or even far behind any other class when done properly.

Sorry, but I just lol'd this. You must not have other players in your raid who know how to play their jobs. fyi: I am a single BRD in my raid. I sing, I kite, I do everything that needs to be done. I'm not a turret... I can pull 415 on T8 and fall at the bottom of the list. I can pull 398 on T9 and yet I am the bottom of the list. My rotation is near flawless and I have spent countless hours out on a dummy. When you compare high end players with other high end players, Bards are the lowest parsing DD class and need a buff.

[Tranquil]

I can pull 398 on T9 and yet I am the bottom of the list.

You could have had me until this point.

[Akesis]

Bards ARE a DD role, but they have huge support capability. It would be unfair to other DD jobs with lesser support capability if BRD did equal damage. You have to give something to get something, that is the essence of balance in MMOs.

Bards also have the highest up-time of any DD and some of the highest survivability (due to having the greatest mobility). Again, are you willing to sacrifice those to have greater DPS?

If you want to get technical. Which, I can see that you do. Lets look at all of the DD jobs....

BRDs has 4 support abilities (Ballad, Paeon, Foe, Mantra). Can deal damage on the move. low multi target dps.
SMN has 4 support abilities (Virus, Resurrection, Eye for an Eye, Physic(healing as a DD is supporting the raid)). Can deal damage on the move. High multi target dps (if they don't insta-die).
BLM has 4 support abilities ( Virus, Eye for an Eye, Physic(healing as a DD is supporting the raid), Apocatastasis). They also have Atherial and can port to safety. Can deal damage on the move. High multi target dps.
DRG has 2 support abilities (Disembowel, Mantra). Can deal damage on the move. Can also stun. Middle of the road Multi-target dps. extremely high single target dps.
MNK has 2 support abilities (Mantra, Dragon Kick). Can deal damage on the move. Can also stun. Middle of the road Multi-target dps. extremely high single target dps.

[Velox]

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That is all very true, but you are arguing quantity while I am arguing quality. When is the last time a party reserved a space for BLM because they had Apocatastasis? Or Virus, or Eye for an Eye? They are all have support utility, but are severely limited due to range, cooldown, stack debuff (prevents reuse), or a combination of these.

Mantra will not make or break a fight. Foe's Requim or Mage's Ballad can make or break a fight.

[Akesis]

That is all very true, but you are arguing quantity while I am arguing quality. When is the last time a party reserved a space for BLM because they had Apocatastasis? Or Virus, or Eye for an Eye? They are all have support utility, but are severely limited due to range, cooldown, stack debuff (prevents reuse), or a combination of these.

Mantra will not make or break a fight. Foe's Requim or Mage's Ballad can make or break a fight.

Ahh, Quality of buffs: Peaon-Junk. if your BRD sings it outside of someone dying, he/she is a fool. It is a loss of raid-wide dps. Lets throw that one away. (Down to 3 support abilities). Ballad - if your healers know what they are doing, you never need to sing it. Sure, I sing it from time to time during progression. That's about it though. lets throw that one in the "Meh" category. (Down to 2.5 support abilities). Foe - yep. its a good one, lets keep it on the list. (2.5 support abilities). You say mantra is junk. Lets take it off the list. (1.5 support abilities). This isn't a make or break number that should suffer from such an extreme gap in numbers.

I can tell you as fact... several raid groups sit BLM's for SMN's, not for their ability to do more damage on movement intensive fights. Rather, for their ability to raise people when they die. So with your "quality of abilities" theory. A BRD should pull numbers just behind a SMN who should also be at the bottom of the list, not the top.

Should I change this thread to SMN's need a nerf?

[Spiritus]

Ahh, Quality of buffs: Peaon-Junk ... Ballad - if your healers know what they are doing, you never need to sing it. Sure, I sing it from time to time during progression. .... Foe - yep. its a good one, lets keep it on the list. (2.5 support abilities)...."stuff about summoner rez" (to shorten the quote)

First to adress the bold, the vast majority of people working on SCoB are in progression parties(at least on my server), not t9 farm parties. So making dps buffon a class based on the a small percentage of the player base that is bored and wants an ego boost isn't going to happen. Also, for what possible reason do you need for a dps boost other than to say your not the bottom if your clearing the most difficult content. You could clear t8 with a group of only bard dps on the damage you're doing.

Now the other stuff:
1) Peaon's - How is this junk? Maybe I dont know, but I bard t8 sense we only need the one tank, but our monk/drg ask for Peaons' on the 3rd set of towers every time. Our group has been runing for about 8 weeks now, so some of our dps have gotten very weighted skill-speed sets atm, and dont have to option to switch around.

2) Ballad - issue adressed by the fact that it's bold, although granted our healers never ask for it now either. And before they only asked in case they died.

3) Foes - agreed it's good.

So still 3 viable options, at least for my group. But I MT everything else, so I don't always know the situation. t8 is the only turn Ive ever heard them ask for Peaons as well. Either way, my view doesnt change, bard has the most mobility, most usefull support to the majority of the player base. You can't really argue monks/drg support and "dmg while moving" when really its:
Dmg While Moving***


*** When within 3y of target

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[Alcyon1]

If you want to get technical. Which, I can see that you do. Lets look at all of the DD jobs....

BRDs has 4 support abilities (Ballad, Paeon, Foe, Mantra). Can deal damage on the move. low multi target dps.
SMN has 4 support abilities (Virus, Resurrection, Eye for an Eye, Physic(healing as a DD is supporting the raid)). Can deal damage on the move. High multi target dps (if they don't insta-die).
BLM has 4 support abilities ( Virus, Eye for an Eye, Physic(healing as a DD is supporting the raid), Apocatastasis). They also have Atherial and can port to safety. Can deal damage on the move. High multi target dps.
DRG has 2 support abilities (Disembowel, Mantra). Can deal damage on the move. Can also stun. Middle of the road Multi-target dps. extremely high single target dps.
MNK has 2 support abilities (Mantra, Dragon Kick). Can deal damage on the move. Can also stun. Middle of the road Multi-target dps. extremely high single target dps.

BRD can silence (hi T2), has a good burst (don't tell me the opposite) and can deal FULL DAMAGE on the move and is ranged. Seriously, telling us "BLM can deal damage on the move" is a big joke, you're making it sounds like if the fights where you need to move a lot doesn't change anything. Stuns are useless in the new coil.

@Akesis : please, control their TP ? Seriously ?

[Defteros]

They also have Atherial and can port to safety

no they don't.
They teleport near a party member.
that doesn't always mean you get teleported to safety.

Can deal damage on the move.

LOLWUT.
srsly.
HEY LOOK I CAN CAST SCATHE WHILE I MOVE.
I'M UNSTOPPABLE.