Everybody Hates Ramuh (and why the fight needs reworking)

[SarcasmMisser]

Adds are 20,000 health (which can be confirmed in your battle log), there are 6. 120,000 health/120 seconds = 1000dps needed. You learned this math in 4th grade hopefully.

[ClaireAbigail]

Yes because Stone Vigil is SO DIFFICULT compared to Ramuh ex! Such a great comparison!

My concern is the fight is for people who are ilvl 90~100 who are trying to "gear up" and its very difficult to clear the fight within that ilvl.
(But of course you didn't read that part of my post lol)

First off, stop accusing people that they don't read because you seem to not read as well. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

Secondly. I'm damn ilvl 97 and I had little problems on that fight. My whm who is ilvl 93 didn't have problem learning the fight. Please stop thinking that everyone is incompetent and incapable of thinking.

Lastly, in the SV hm last boss, all he was saying is that they probably foreshadow incoming mechanics on the next primal fight which is shiva.

[Seibah]

I don't care about people like you who are overgeared for the fight. My concern is the fight is for people who are ilvl 90~100 who are trying to "gear up" and its very difficult to clear the fight within that ilvl.

W-wow. A-almost like its an...EXTREME primal or something...almost like...it's a level harder than "hard mode"...

[Nukocafe]

W-wow. A-almost like its an...EXTREME primal or something...almost like...it's a level harder than "hard mode"...

Yea and guess what? It can be hard, but the rewards for the difficulty are crappy & pointless...and obvious point you seem to be missing from my entire original post.

My whm who is ilvl 93

Your white mage doesn't DPS during the ads phase. And if they do, awesome, but your main role is to heal.

Adds are 20,000 health (which can be confirmed in your battle log), there are 6. 120,000 health/120 seconds = 1000dps needed. You learned this math in 4th grade hopefully.

>>Implying every pug on every server ever pulls 300 DPS at ilvl90.
Wow you sure have amazing fantasies! Just like the fantasy of this fight being so easy that everyone is doing it and farming it! Oh wait no they aren't that's why its a problem. Please record a video of you and your entire party in i90 clearing this fight with 2 melee DPS. Oh and you aren't allowed to go with your static. It must be a random party finder group with people you don't know.


The 3 of you (and anyone else who disagrees) need to understand that I'm not asking TO NERF THE FIGHT. I am asking to make rewards ON PAR WITH THE DIFFICULTY. Raising the ilvl of the rings to 110 or the weapons to 105/110 would be a much better option than nerfing the fight all together. Stop being rude and trolling my thread.

[Surian]

I feel i have to step in a little here.

The Sands mentioned in the OP dont drop in Syrcus Tower, only oils (for accessories).

Second, the Unidentified Allegan Tome has a roughly 30% droprate in ST as per the developers words. That's still 24 people having 30% chance, or put diffirently, depending on your luck, a 1 in 80 chance for you to get one. The amount of Soldiery put into it make it easily a 3 week long journey alone on top of that. And that gets you the base i100 weapon. Which would still need the Sand from Coil (since hunts are such a mess only the top 1% of the playerbase might get it from there).

So other than grossly overestimating/overreacting about diffirent methods being available to get a good weapon, you could just as well do one Ramuh EX and get a nice i100 alternative weapon. Not to mention it's pretty looking as well.

And then still, why would that matter? If someone can get a i110 weapon through a diffirent method, why would that be important to you? Does it somehow make you less of a <insert job here> if someone else who you might not ever see again gets a i110 weapon and you do not? Through, i might add, a method that's openly available to you to try as well. Just realize that it's not as easy as you make it out to be.

I'm not saying Ramuh's weapons shouldnt be upgradable or higher in power, but the "alternatives" people are refering to as easy, while denying anyone the right to say the same about Ramuh are just getting rediculous.

[Theresa]

Just a question:

Anyone kills Titan Ex expecting a reward?

[Nukocafe]

I feel i have to step in a little here.

Um no I didn't say sands drop in ST. I said "eventually" because they said eventually ST would drop it.
Secondly, you only fight 7 people in your party for the tomestone. FYI I got my tomestone on my FIRST run of ST. I've run ST 3 times total and I got 1 tomestone and 2 oils and saw the tomestone drop twice. It is VERY easy to get.


Ramuh weapons are good stepping stone but as I said in my original post, Ramuh is too annoying/difficult for someone with a 90/95 weapon to make it worthwhile to farm him for his 100 weapon which doesn't even drop every single time. It's much easier to get a tomestone and farm soldiery for 3 weeks than finding a competent group that can clear Ramuh ex.

And no one is denying anyone of anything where did you even get this from?? I am simply saying that for the effort involved the rewards aren't as good when there are EASIER alternatives. Also you are on my server, you should know exactly what the party finder scene is like and how there's barely any Ramuh parties. Additionally, you have not cleared the fight. Do you even know or have you experienced the difficulty level for it? I don't understand people who come to argue with me without having cleared the fight, this is completely counterproductive.

"I haven't cleared Ramuh Ex, but LET ME 'SPLAIN YOU A THING" ಠ_ಠ

[DracotheDragon]

Just a question:

Anyone kills Titan Ex expecting a reward?

kinda, the people who kill titan ex now do it soley for the rowena tokens, since ifrit and garuda tend to be on farm for mounts, but when it comes to titan hardly anyone wants to unless the whole party wants the tokens,

the risk vs reward the op is saying does make sense yes the fight is hard so the rewards should be just as rewarding, and since we don't have EX primal weapons v2 and we only get weapons which at the point of farming would be glamor to relics or other weapons, there worth seems unjust,

i have the feeling ramuh is going to be the next titan once shiva ex is out, and we hopefully see a ex primal set v2 that require all 6 ex primals to be defeated, (that way people who's ays its easy have to defeat all 6 within a time limit).

[Theresa]

kinda, the people who kill titan ex now do it soley for the rowena tokens, since ifrit and garuda tend to be on farm for mounts, but when it comes to titan hardly anyone wants to unless the whole party wants the tokens,

the risk vs reward the op is saying does make sense yes the fight is hard so the rewards should be just as rewarding, and since we don't have EX primal weapons v2 and we only get weapons which at the point of farming would be glamor to relics or other weapons, there worth seems unjust,

i have the feeling ramuh is going to be the next titan once shiva ex is out, and we hopefully see a ex primal set v2 that require all 6 ex primals to be defeated, (that way people who's ays its easy have to defeat all 6 within a time limit).

It was an honest question, because I only know that Titan is hard but didn't hear about the rewards it gives. Thanks for the answer!

[Khalana]

Just a question:

Anyone kills Titan Ex expecting a reward?

Back when Titan Ex was relevant the BiS melee earning dropped in there the ilvl 90 gear the original EX primals dropped were all relevant and could be used in BiS setups as ilvl 90 was the highest gear lvl.

as for Ramuh did the fight it was alright didn't find it easy or hard just requires paying attention. Have no problems with the reward lvl but at the current reward lvl I do not find any incentive to run it again. So if they wanted to make a change to make it worth running multiple times i would be alright with that.