Average item level calculation needs fixing, as does lv50 gear progression

[Nekodar]

Do you tell these people that they really should get some better gear before taking on the higher level stuff?

While some probably look to get carried, there might also be people that simply don't know better.

My experience with DR: Trials since 2.2 have been different from yours. While some groups have been terribly bad, most of the time it's a oneshot even for Titan HM and one or two people new.

[Giantbane]

ilvl should not be based upon the gear's actual ilvl but some measure of "useful" stats to that class. It should count weapon damage, VIT, main DPS stat (STR/DEX/etc) and any appropriate secondary stats (for instance parry would not count for a non-tank class and piety does not count for DoW classes). In such a system, crafting gear would count the same as an empty slot for a DoW class.

Just healed a tank in Haukke wearing a mix of i70 to i90 on the left and wholly inappropriate gear on the right (crafting and mage accessories). Very squishy.

[Airal]

ilvl should not be based upon the gear's actual ilvl but some measure of "useful" stats to that class...

...Just healed a tank in Haukke wearing a mix of i70 to i90 on the left and wholly inappropriate gear on the right (crafting and mage accessories). Very squishy.

I believe something like this makes MUCH more sense in context of completing a dungeon, trial or raid with minimal problems. Accessories are very clearly not as big a factor (as you can evidence from some of the posts in the ST Spiritbonding thread) for several reasons yet get counted as though they're equal in level with the main equipment slots. The same goes for hats, gloves and shoes which provide worthwhile boosts but are not nearly as useful as upgrading a body or leg slot. In the case of PLD and WHM, the shield slot falls under this as well.

[therpgfanatic]

Do you tell these people that they really should get some better gear before taking on the higher level stuff?

Yeah I tell them, and often try to do the dungeon anyway just to show them why I'm getting on their case. All the deaths tend to make it really obvious but some people honestly just sit there and expect to be carried, especially if it's a trial. I've watched Dragoons purposely leap off Titan's platform at the start of the battle.

The problem is they are always like "I have x item level and could queue" and I can understand that reasoning but the problem is SE designed the item level requirements way too low for the difficulty of the dungeons, and on top of that it's too easy to exploit if they just get one i90 item.