Average item level calculation needs fixing, as does lv50 gear progression

[Alistaire]

There were groups like that, sure, but I'd like to think they were the exception, not the rule. At least on Balmung, I never had issues finding a group in about half DL half Toxotes.

Pretty common knowledge Balmung is "the exception, not the rule".

Edit: ...no offense.

[Viridiana]

Pretty common knowledge Balmung is "the exception, not the rule".

Edit: ...no offense.

Meh, the community was pretty silly at the time (as opposed to now, right?). I mean, relic weapons required for AK? That was just. . .yeah. . .

[TheRogueX]

They should not be able to enter the queue for Expert, HM Primals or CT until they have at least i70 in every slot.

For the HM Primals, did you ever stop to think about the fact that you were dealing with new people who were going through the quests for their first Relic weapon? It's a quest you get, you know, right after you beat the Main Scenario. Are you saying you want the Relic Reborn quest gated behind an arbitrary i70 "in every slot" requirement? Also, the ilvl requirement for the hardest fight in that 3 HM Primals chain (for Relic Reborn) is 57, if you haven't noticed.

I did HM Primals for my Relic weapons at a gradually-increasing ilvl pace, but I got lucky in Amdapor Keep and got an i55 pants and i55 sword on my first run. Still, I think I was only i58 when I did HM Titan.

So, to put it simply, you have no idea what you're talking about and are just complaining about newbies because you want to speed run everything and they're just "holding you back." If you can't handle helping new players get through encounters that they're geared for (just, I don't know, maybe actually NEW at), then kick yourself out of the encounter, wait your 30 minutes, and requeue.

A tank can't have the HP to survive Titan's Mountain Buster + Bombs exploding near them while they are decked out in AF armour and some pre-lv 50 rings. Even with my own tank's gear (i93) I tend to have trouble if the bombs spawn in a weird pattern so that two are on top of me. Which I've noticed is happening more often than it used to .

I'm sorry, this just makes it sound like you're the problem. I main tanked Titan HM in AF gear (minus the pants) at least once, and in just Militia gear many times. Sometimes the fights were tough, but it just took a little more coordination and timing, then the fight went smoothly.

[TheRogueX]

Sorry for the double post, decided not to edit my above post yet again just to add more:

I can't see anyone doing mass pulls anytime soon.

Oh, so you mean people are having to run the dungeons as intended instead of speed running? Shocker!

[Alistaire]

Realised another thing, now we even have i95 weapons that are essentially i75 weapons if they're not hq. Between that and equipping i90 accessories without your prime stat pumps up a person's ilvl way beyond what that player would be capable of.

So right now a player could have a weapon that's 20 levels above its actual performance.
Left side i90 pieces if nq are 1 prime stat above i80s.
And right side as high as 110 that may be contributing nothing at all.

It's about time for SE to revisit their previous statement that there's no plans to change how average ilvl is calculated.

[AlrikRouge]

I remember the days of Titan HM and tank had to have at least 4500-5000 HP, and the rest had to have at least 300-3500.

I cleared it the first time with about 4900 HP IIRC. I do know I didn't have full DL gear. And I used food.

Things were a little more of a struggle back then (hahaha! Makes me sound old) and took more patience because people were a lot more squishy.

But I whole heartedly agree that once you enter a dungeon, you should NOT be able to change gear. Or at the very least, not be able to go under the required iLevel.

[KamikazeMan]

The ilvl requirement for content in this game makes absolutely no sense and gives people the OK to skip most of the content this game has to offer. As a fresh level 50 with full AF gear, why would you run dungeons when you could just run Crystal Tower and make the run harder for people because you're undergeared? And yeah, I know people can destroy the bosses in CT at ilvl 40, but most people going there as a fresh level 50 wouldn't really know what to do. IMO, the dev team should revise the ilvl restrictions on all content. Have players run some older dungeons a few times and increase the rewards for roulettes or offer a special daily/weekly reward for doing them all to ensure people easily get a party for content.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would imagine developers would want people to play old content to keep them relevant rather than bring out new content and make most of the old stuff not worth doing. Not even for a brand new level 50 player. I just wish there was a better level of progression in the game.

[Krr]

The notion from the community that you can't 'tank' content in minimum item level gear because you can't mass pull or the tank has to actually learn to use their cooldowns and the healer has to actually stay active is frankly pretty sad.

Players need to start re-assessing their own skill before they start assessing the item level system. There are absolutely mathematical problems (mis-weighting of accessories, under-weighting of chest/leg/weapon slot items), exploits (changing to under-req spiritbond gear after entering the instance,) and design issues (the latest tier of 4-man drops i80 *sometimes* but myth rains in buckets and gives us i90 instantly invalidating that content except as a time-inefficient soldiery farm?), but by and large "players in i60-i70 greens doing dungeons at their listed level" isn't a problem beyond people being unwilling to learn to actually play and not cruise control through every instance with a flowchart.

[PArcher]

I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at the OP for having trouble with Titan HM as an i90+ MT. Seriously, you can tank that fight in i60 gear just fine as long as you know what you're doing and you get a stoneskin before each MB. Heck, I recently had to MT in full STR accessories (HP was between that of an i60 and i70 tank) after the MT decided to stand in the orange in the second jump, and had no issues (generally, just using Inner Beast as mitigation too, sometimes not having Stoneskin or Adlo either). Also never got hit by a bomb because I know how to tank the fight and how to avoid every pattern...


Also, I do remember those shouts for AK myth runs requiring not just a Relic...but a Relic+1. Gotta love people.

[LunarEmerald]

I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at the OP for having trouble with Titan HM as an i90+ MT. Seriously, you can tank that fight in i60 gear just fine as long as you know what you're doing and you get a stoneskin before each MB. Heck, I recently had to MT in full STR accessories (HP was between that of an i60 and i70 tank) after the MT decided to stand in the orange in the second jump, and had no issues (generally, just using Inner Beast as mitigation too, sometimes not having Stoneskin or Adlo either). Also never got hit by a bomb because I know how to tank the fight and how to avoid every pattern...


Also, I do remember those shouts for AK myth runs requiring not just a Relic...but a Relic+1. Gotta love people.

Those were people wanting speed runs. Can't really have a speed run if everybody doesn't have top gear.