a pretty serious question

[silentwindfr]

which game are we playing? FFXI-2 or FFXIV:ARR? because recently i really begin to wonder.

a lot of recent content come directly from FFXI and they are not adapted to FFXIV worst it hurt the game and create a lot of balance issue. without forget Yoshida change what he did said in the past, when he did promise this game will never become a grindfest like FFXI.

what did happend for a so big change of direction into the game? are we still playing FFXIV or not?

[Ramath]

I thought you said this was a serious question...

[silentwindfr]

well yes and not, i know the irony of the situation, but well...

[HeroSamson]

It's not a grind.

Let me name a few things from FFXI that doesn't even come close to anything of grind level in FFXIV.

Relic weapons- you needed tons of byne bills to even finish this, our shell took 4 years, in FFXIV already have it.
Mythic weapons - can't do them alone and have a LS and farm like a psycho
Levels before abyss which were level max was 75, I remember the days of halls of the gods nightmares death and bored out of my mind.
Farming Gil slow.

I could keep going, nothing in FFXIV is the same as FFXI except some monsters and few similar things.

But as for mechanics gameplay nope.

[Kimikryo]

Relic weapons in FFXI also meant something. While collecting old currency was a pain, in the time you spent in the area where you got it, with semi good luck you got 1/3 of the bills you needed for one of the early level ups, gear drops, and most every run had a fun story to tell others who missed it. FFXIV Atma 3 hours, you either have 0 drops or are a lucky pos and get all drops, your weapon stops to glow and doesn't get better bar iLvL.

I welcome that they introduced "FFXI like" content in FFXIV, the hunts gave Eorzea at elast a BIT of teeth because you can't just rush in with your chocobo on everything you see anymore and expect an 100% win.

A lot of good things, already present in FFXI, where players begged for years to get it, again isn't included in FFXIV. Hell even the things blizzard changed are left out in ffxiv, while it is obvious that certain parts are from WoW (that is NOT a bad thing), which would benefit the players.

[Renik]

And now the ffxi hater stars a flame thread.

We are playing a FF so get used to ppl asking for other FF features, if you don't like it you can always play wow, but we will keep trying to make this game more ff and less wow, deal with it.

[Sadana]

Wait wait... nobody pull this boss... I mean, continue this thread... imma go get some popcorn

[Souljacker]

I think he's talking specifically about the exclusivity of certain content - content that favors those who manipulate other players, hoard things to themselves and sometimes flat out cheat. I, too, got the feeling that this patch pulled a Tanaka-Yoshida switch... Some of this content has Tanaka written all over it.

[IgnisFatuus]

the problem is not the grind itself, it's the grind for the sake of grinding that's been rampant since 2.1.

[Ryans]

What are you claiming comes directly from FFXI? They have completely different base systems so even if something was brought directly from FFXI, it couldn't be the same. I'm going to assume you are talking about hunts because that is the only thing people are talking about lately. Hunts are not NMs from FFXI. They just aren't. FFXI had an NM system that worked because they dropped specific items (sometimes pretty good items, but mostly low level things) and were claim=credit. Hunts are a server-wide zerg of faceless monsters that all drop currency for some of the best gear in the game. Completely different in design and execution.