why so mean?

[Hurlstone]

When I am new to a dungeon, I tell my party right away. People tend to be more patient if they know I'm new from the beginning. Those who are not patient leave... so it's a win-win really.

Same here. Everytime I do a new dungeon I mention that this is my first time. For my own experience, I have never had any problems. My fellow adventures have always been understanding, many going over the tactics even if I mentioned reading up about them. The in-game community has been great in my experience. Of course I do know that there are jerks out there, but my advice to the OP is to ignore them. Listen to those who do give advise, and practice your class. It can be intimidating to start a new MMO, let alone your first, but over time you will become more skilled and soon you will be the on being asked for advice from a new player.

2) Before you spam chat for answers, search yourself.

The problem with this is that searching out mean having to go to the wiki or youtube to find out what to do. Yes, it is not hard but should that really be how a game is played? This is one of my MMO pet peeves. What ever happened to the thrill of exploring a dungeon, working out the mechanics as a team and having fun? Why should it be a sign of weakness to show that you are experienced anyway? Players nowadays seem to have lost that sens of exploration and fun, with most just wanting to complete the stage as quick as possible. And no, I do not blame the Duty Finder. I saw such attitudes in WoW long before its DF was added.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Whenever you give advice, you should assume it's advice for how to do better on their next run. You should never expect immediate changes in a player's capabilities just because they've gotten some advice, even if the advice itself is good.

As to whether they say anything in reply, was the group stopped there long enough they'd have a chance to? I can't count the number of times I've started to type out a reply to something but then the group took off and I had to abandon that message to grab my controller so I could go with them.

I don't understand though why it's unreasonable for them to try out the new advice mid-run (or rather why it is acceptable that they can do it "next time"). Because the standards are lower? Because it's not (say) First Coil or Titan HM?

Yes, it was at breaks between bosses or pulls in most cases. In some rare cases the party stopped while we addressed this.

[Kiara1]

I love playing with new players, it's fun to explain everything and they are usually thankful and more chatty than someone who has done the dungeon 100times

[Kaven]

So because some people don't listen..you just instantly insult a new person..? That's a terrible "excuse".

Don't think anyone with a mature sentiment would instantly insult someone new.


The premise of the thread is a life long MMO dilemma in which it can never be cured, 'Noobs/Newbs' how ever you want to label them will always be present in any community, you'll have a portion of the community that will do what they can when they happen upon them and the other half won't nor feel they want their own personal time being wasted by an an inexperienced player.

A lot of the hate derives from frustration mostly, I'd be lying if i didn't chuckle to myself on occasion after seeing a MNK try to DPS last boss in Tam-Tara continually thoughout the fight when quite clearly the words "INVUNERABLE" must have been spamming his screen.

The likes of PLD's spamming SB/RB and raging at DPS because they're losing aggro. Just some instances in which even after explaining I've had to /facepalm.

Quite clearly a lot of newer players do not invest their own time to read tooltips, if they did a high percentage of newer players with some form of learning curve would pick the game up relatively quickly.

It's a circle of appreciation in any MMO, if you're new, show willing and appreciation for other player's and the time they're investing in the group, then you will more often than not receive it back from the more experienced players. Speak up, tell them you're new, it avoids most altercations and if you're presented with advice that seems genuinely productive to how you can play, use it.

I personally have a lot of time for newer people, as someone stated we were all new to this game and all made mistakes at some point, I only find my patience wearing thin when it comes to higher level content and seeing people in full i90 / i100 gear that cannot play their class still or dodge things, (example- Duty roulette, Ifrit HM - DRGs/MNK spamming Leg Sweep / Steel Peak , players dying to IFrit's Dash etc , this is just a shortened example)

The game itself is probably one of the easiest's MMO's I've played in terms of mechanics and leniency to reaction and whilst like I mentioned I have time for newer players, I don't have time for Full Vendor geared players that repeatedly make mistakes or do not know how to utilize their class correctly. Unfortunately the game has bred these players due to the ease of access to gear, allowing newer players to pretty much gear their character in full i100 by just doing the main story and then farming 1 dungeon. They are then expected to perform to the standards of someone in that gear level and in a large number of cases are shown up to be otherwise.

[Kaeda_Valentyne]

It might help with the feeling of being ignored if new people knew that in the settings you can change / add a sound to the party chat to notify you when someone wrote something.

I just found this out and being completely new to mmos and starting as a healer I have probably "ignored" people on accident being completely focused on everything going on in a fight and not noticed someone actually wrote much needed advise to me.

[Kloe]

Almost verbatim I open with "Hey (name), not meaning to be rude but can I offer some advice? You should try (rotation). It will work better." They either say nothing or otherwise do not make any effort to reciprocate. I can recall maybe 1 in 50 cases where they actually took the advice and improved on the spot.

The example message you send to players "Hey (name), not meaning to be rude but..." is not as nice as you think it is. This may be why you have such a high rate of people ignoring you and not following your advice. I think the tone of that message is very similar to the saying "i'm not racists, but..." where you say something that actually is racist and think it's ok just because you said you're not racist. The truth is you are being kind of rude even if your intentions are good. The way you're saying it will come off as "you are bad at your job, so do this". Which is not going to make anyone feel good and want to follow advice. A better approach would be to simply ask them if they are new to the dungeon, then based off of their answer of "yes" you could say something like "since you are new to the dungeon, would you like some tips on ABC". If their answer is "no", then you could say something like "i've noticed you're having trouble with ABC, would you be open to some advice?". If they say no then you know what kind of person you're dealing with and either carry on with them not doing things correctly, or find a new group if it's causing big problems. You have to be careful how you word things. It may sound good in your head, but it might not sound as good to someone else. I don't want to spark a debate over this subject, I just simply wanted to let you be aware of this so that you can try something new next time and hopefully have a better experience.

[Katchii]

I'll help players who are new and actually want or ask for help.

I'll offer to help if I find you're doing something silly or wrong in an effort to improve your understanding of the games mechanics and your class skills.

People who blatantly refuse (not just ignore, but respond saying they don't want help) or respond with "screw you, I'll play how I want" get booted from the group and ignored..or if I'm the tank or healer; unprotected, unhealed and left for dead.

I'll help you help yourself, but if you willingly and purposely waste the time of me and those in my party....... t("t)

[Jarvix]

To Kloe

ROFLMAO--- Call a Spade a Spade and stop with the touchy feely babble. He is not talking about a new player. I have seen plenty of those lvl 50's myself. They are the ones that keep gold spammers in buisness getting their toons Power Leveled.

[Ginfress]

Newbie here (PS4)! I always try to ask for advice and i havent even seen the first dungeon yet. Was just wondering about stuff that happened around me. Most wonderful reply back to me was "go back to WoW and leave us real gamers alone". Not that it mattered but i spilled some coffee after that. Any tips for a beginning gladiator playing on Odin?

[Alice_89th]

I hate to be the one saying "google it" but...

I googled. A LOT.
This is my first MMO so like you I didn't know a lot of lingo and I just googled every single time I heard something I didn't know.

As for people being mean; just stay polite, don't get defensive.If someone keeps yelling at you simply stop answering, if you really can't take it anymore just leave and find a new group to do the content with. There is no need to let yourself be frustrated by someone who probably just had a bad day our ran into the same problem 15 times in a row who keeps verbally abusing you.

If you are trying, and doing your best there is nothing more you can do.