why so mean?

[Sakuraluna]

I hate to be the one saying "google it" but...

I googled. A LOT.
This is my first MMO so like you I didn't know a lot of lingo and I just googled every single time I heard something I didn't know.

As for people being mean; just stay polite, don't get defensive.If someone keeps yelling at you simply stop answering, if you really can't take it anymore just leave and find a new group to do the content with. There is no need to let yourself be frustrated by someone who probably just had a bad day our ran into the same problem 15 times in a row who keeps verbally abusing you.

If you are trying, and doing your best there is nothing more you can do.

I'm actually going to interject here. First off, the "go google it" thing... I completely understand, doing your research beforehand does help out immensely. But telling someone to google something while in-game won't help the current situation at all and it actually comes across as condescending and lazy as other people in the thread have said. It only works when there is free time before or after the dungeon and when the person has a clear idea of what terms they need to be googling, and it still doesn't invalidate asking questions and giving tips during the dungeon. Because watching a video or reading up on something and actually experiencing that thing firsthand are two different things, one can leave you more prepared for the other but can never fully take its place.

Secondly, I can't really say I care how bad a day someone has had or how many times they've run that instance. Those are thin excuses for bad behavior. If some people are going to be outright abusive towards others, then those other players have the right to not put up with it. For me, it depends on the severity of the situation; I've had to go as far as reporting someone to a gm before for verbal harassment and griefing. "Mean" is just a simplified blanket term for what I'm assuming the OP is talking about in reference to df most probably. Some of the works of art that df drops into your party will zoom right past "mean" and off into a completely different territory before you can say hello. :3

[Alice_89th]

I'm actually going to interject here. First off, the "go google it" thing... I completely understand, doing your research beforehand does help out immensely. But telling someone to google something while in-game won't help the current situation at all and it actually comes across as condescending and lazy as other people in the thread have said. It only works when there is free time before or after the dungeon and when the person has a clear idea of what terms they need to be googling, and it still doesn't invalidate asking questions and giving tips during the dungeon. Because watching a video or reading up on something and actually experiencing that thing firsthand are two different things, one can leave you more prepared for the other but can never fully take its place.

I have never told anyone to google, and I won't tell anyone in the future. Also I am not talking about strategies or something like that.
Really sorry if it came across condescending but what I meant was that I googled. A LOT. And no that doesn't help you that moment, but after I found something I didn't know I'd google it when I had my hands free again. I googled a lot of things. I googled some things multiple times.

This remark was meant independent of how other people behave, but about your own pro-activity. Though I got the impression that the OP is trying his/her best and that is more than enough. You can't do more than that.

Secondly, I can't really say I care how bad a day someone has had or how many times they've run that instance. Those are thin excuses for bad behavior. If some people are going to be outright abusive towards others, then those other players have the right to not put up with it. For me, it depends on the severity of the situation; I've had to go as far as reporting someone to a gm before for verbal harassment and griefing. "Mean" is just a simplified blanket term for what I'm assuming the OP is talking about in reference to df most probably. Some of the works of art that df drops into your party will zoom right past "mean" and off into a completely different territory before you can say hello. :3

Of course it is a bad excuse. But it is still something that happens.
Maybe the person on the other side is just a jerk, maybe they were just having a bad day, I don't know.

[monochromicorn]

i main as a WHM, so unless people are stupid and not listen to advice, im very helpful. when people dont listen, i stop healing. i had a dragoon who would not stop pulling, i advised him to stop and let the tank build hate, but after a few more pulls, i let him die. i ran cutters cry as blackmage, and the white mage who was healing, had no idea what to do. when we got to the first boss and he didnt know what kiting was, so i told him that he was supposed to run around the dungeon with all the adds and cast regen. he didnt have regen, lv 35 WHM skill, so all the adds were tanked, and after the fight, i told him how to get to his job quests. i was very nice about it, because he listened. most people dont listen, which is why everyone acts so mean. when you try to help or correct someone and they never listen, you eventually stop

[Ginfress]

Thank you Nyalia!

[Wargazsem]

The issue is, it comes down to mutual respect. As a new player you shouldn't expect anyone to continually have to hold your hand. As a experienced player you shouldn't expect anyone new to the instances to be flawless. I don't mind a few wipes if you can see progress is being made and ppl are trying to learn and seeking and using the advice giving. The problem revolves around the greatly occurring runs with the "I will play like I want" mindset. Ie thornmarch hard last night was just a free for all with the same new ppl to the instance refusing to attack the marked targets in order. Then again I've met a few just blatant rude elitist.

On the whole PS4 nonsense about being difficult to use google come on if you have the funds to buy a PS4 you can have a laptop or smartphone. I use a PS4 and constantly google on my phone to make things easier on myself. As on the group I don't want to be "that guy" who screws up repeatedly and cost everyone time.

[djnions]

I play on the Midgard server. I have only ever had one person not be so nice. He wasn't mean but he just kept tanking instead of letting me do it. Other than that between the game and the forums everyone has been so helpful. I think if typing wasn't so hard on the PS4 without a USB keyboard maybe PS4 players would be more inclined to help others with a quick tip or two. I only recently got one and I'm glad I did.

[Niwashi]

I think if typing wasn't so hard on the PS4 without a USB keyboard maybe PS4 players would be more inclined to help others with a quick tip or two.

Even with a keyboard (which I really recommend everyone should have), giving tips can still be hard in a dungeon, unless you're the tank. The tank is the one to set the pace of a run, so the tank can stop to type out a message, and in most cases the group will wait for him/her to do so. For anyone else, trying to communicate all too often means letting the rest of the group run on ahead to the next area and fight without you.

So a tip for tanks: It's a good idea for groups to stop a few moments both at the beginning of a dungeon, and again right before each boss fight. Even if you don't have something to say, it's a time when other players are likely to want to either ask or explain something. Give them time enough to do so.

[INKD_NIKO]

I do a lot of research while playing. I tend to keep to myself and not bother anyone. Not because I may mess up, but because I know I'm not skilled enough to take on many of the tasks a tank should already know how to do. I like to be confident when I help others or when I prove my worth. At the moment, I'm just working on getting better at the game and getting stronger. I have my tablet at my disposal for Google etc. if I have questions and I hold my own when I fight for myself. If you have to ask questions, be as courteous and try to ask someone who isn't running about but might be stationary. I found from other MMOs that people who are running are usually busy. Famfrit is a pretty quiet server and I have yet to encounter any ill. I wish you luck! Don't let others attitudes hinder your progress.

[LadyVaJedi]

Don't pay attention to what SeraviEdalborez said "noobs" . Players like this are just showing how they feel about themselves.

[PetiteMalFleur]

This is my very first mmo too! Some things that helped me:

1. Get a USB keyboard. This is a social game and you need to communicate with people.
2. Tell your group you are new and appreciate any tips. Explaining fights can take 30 seconds and prevent avoidable wipes. It's very frustrating to join a dungeon, see the new player notification and get silence when I ask who is new. I'm asking so I can help!
3. Carefully read every skill description as you unlock it and ask questions to your friends on how they use those skills.
4. Read the forums for tips on how to improve.
5. Join a helpful free company and linkshells. They can run through dungeons your first time, discuss the game with you over chat, and help clear content.