Spirit Binding In Syrcus Tower Needs To Stop

[Musashidon]

nah, you got it wrong, the dev said its up the us as a playerbase what we want out of the group and decide for our selves, and they will not step in for any kind of dispute, so if we dont like it, we can remove people at will.

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc). To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc)." - Game developers


you mean that one? where it also says you can kick people over loot? lol good one.

[AlrikRouge]

Unless I misread the post, OP mentioned they entered with great gear, then changed to a much, much lower iLevel.

I'd hate to see what happens if say two or all three tanks tried something like this. Boy would there likely be a near insta-rage...

[Urielparadox]

The Dev's response was the party's choice. If the party doesn't it want it they can ask you to change back. if you don't change back they can kick you. however if the party just kicks the spirit bonder without ever asking them to switch, then the party is violating the kick policy.

[HakuroDK]

You people are the reason we can't have nice things.

If people are spiritbinding stuff, so what? As long as their ilvl meets the ilvl of the dungeon, there shouldn't be a problem. Considering stuff like Novus requires a ton of materia, everyone should be spiritbinding in this dungeon. And really, this dungeon is very mechanics-heavy. The only DPS check in the entire raid is Xande's Starfall, and 9 times out of 10, when it really matters, Starfall can be LB'd, but no one ever LBs Starfall because reasons.

I've only ever died once or twice in ST, and that was largely because either both of my healers were dead, or one was dead and the other one was too busy Ruin-spamming adds. I mean hell, I have ragequit ST because of people like OP shitting on other players more often than I have wiped in ST.

Grow the hell up.

[raelgun]

You people are the reason we can't have nice things.

If people are spiritbinding stuff, so what? As long as their ilvl meets the ilvl of the dungeon, there shouldn't be a problem. Considering stuff like Novus requires a ton of materia, everyone should be spiritbinding in this dungeon. And really, this dungeon is very mechanics-heavy. The only DPS check in the entire raid is Xande's Starfall, and 9 times out of 10, when it really matters, Starfall can be LB'd, but no one ever LBs Starfall because reasons.


Grow the hell up.

Youve said in here, that people that dislike spiritbonders in grouped parties like ST are the reason why you cant have nice things, well why cant you do spirit bonding on your own or find a dedicated spirit bonding party in a 4 man yourself, this way, you get to spirit bond and not annoy anyone else, its your own time, effort and pain, no one else.

[Alukah]

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you mean that one? where it also says you can kick people over loot? lol good one.

Yes and no, that quote specifically mentions player strategy, a few weeks ago in a topic about SBing Camate said gear was part of player strategy, now connect the dots.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2214311

For the slow ones, gear = strategy, strategy = decided by the group and GMs will not intervene.

[Musashidon]

Marry me~



Yes and no, that quote specifically mentions player strategy, a few weeks ago in a topic about SBing Camate said gear was part of player strategy, now connect the dots.

he said it was part of it for PF that is my point everyone says it was about DF he was telling the OP if they join a PF or make a PF they have the right to choose what gear they can use and all that jazz it was not refering to DF and random groups.

it's simple in DF solo queue (or not full pre-made) you have no power you can't force a random player to play the way you want. in a pf/full pre made you have the right to tell people what they can roll on and what they can wear.

[raelgun]

he said it was part of it for PF that is my point everyone says it was abotu DF he was telling the OP if they join a PF or make a PF they have the right to choose what gear they can use and all that jazz it was not refering to DF and random groups.

it's simple in DF solo queue (or not full pre-made) you have no power you can't force a random player to play the way you want. in a pf/full pre made you have the right to tell people what they can roll on and what they can wear.

just a curious question to this, you say people who enter DF have no right over other players in how they play, but said random player you are defending has all the power in the world to dictate or have power over the other players and they cant do anything about it ?
each player makes a contribution and puts forth effort, real effort expects respect in return.

[Alukah]

he said it was part of it for PF that is my point everyone says it was about DF he was telling the OP if they join a PF or make a PF they have the right to choose what gear they can use and all that jazz it was not refering to DF and random groups.

it's simple in DF solo queue (or not full pre-made) you have no power you can't force a random player to play the way you want. in a pf/full pre made you have the right to tell people what they can roll on and what they can wear.

"Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group"

The first post refers to DF, the second post also refers to DF.

[Adler]

I do spiritbond in dungeons but I switch 1 or 2 items due to the fact that switching more than 2 does have huge difference on my damage output already.
If the guy switch 2/3 of his gear and don't switch back even after the wipe then it is ok to kick him because it does apply to "harrasment" - he purposely does not contribute to party effort to beat instance.