Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Nyalia]

Yeah, apologies for being unclear. I had meant that the other three dissolvent-type-specific materials (mist dill, wyvern wings, and bear fat), the ones that fill the same spot as Mogpom and Blue Cloud Coral, except in different types of dissolvent, could already be obtained by retainers (BTN/combat). Most of the time when a dissolvent is needed for a recipe, there are multiple recipes that only differ by dissolvent type. But, I guess MND and INT generally were paired, so this does make recipes that were shared by caster/healer and not any other class easier to make.

Yet, still, as Roth said, Volcanic Rock Salt is still not retainerable, and even besides that, there are often choices that don't use dissolvents and thus require fewer mats overall (items with dissolvents in their recipe immediately get 7 extra mats and 1 extra synth added to the mix just to make the dissolvent, and generally still take as many mats as non-dissolvent recipes). Again, when 3.1 comes out, I'll re-evaluate everything I've put for the non-CRP/ALC classes in the guide.

Right now, if this change makes it easier for you to make a healer/caster item for desynth, go for it. But, I've found that I can't keep up with both price fluctuations (which aren't even constant cross-server so I have to guess what is specific to my server and what isn't) and patch changes if I make them every time either changes in a notable way...

Top priority for this guide is updating CRP and ALC.

[Alistaire]

Yeah the difference will be that some people don't have certain retainer types and that would dictate what you could gather that way, and now people with fisher retainers have an option on that path.

edit: idk if I'd call the volcanic rock salt limitation a big thing, if you have miner it's an easy 35 rocks each window; it's one of those ones that starts @ 5 per swing.

[Kalsam]

Just cause I was curious about their level while they were selling so cheaply, I ended up finding that the Bloody items for the relic precursor's seem to fall in the same range as the items you can buy from the Bazaar (rlvl70-80ish)
Depending on the price of them on a person's server, this may be a better alternative for BSM, CRP, and LTW if just starting out/behind on leveling desynth.

Thought you may like to know

[Nyalia]

Just cause I was curious about their level while they were selling so cheaply, I ended up finding that the Bloody items for the relic precursor's seem to fall in the same range as the items you can buy from the Bazaar (rlvl70-80ish)
Depending on the price of them on a person's server, this may be a better alternative for BSM, CRP, and LTW if just starting out/behind on leveling desynth.

Thought you may like to know

Good to know, thanks! Are they all desynthable? I know the ones that are actually weapons themselves are (the Blunt Aeolian Scimitar), but are the others? It'd make sense for the Bloody Cesti Covers, Bloody Axe Head, and Bloody Grimoire Binding to be, but I'm pretty sure the Pinprick Pebble isn't...

(And they should all be r55, which is the same as the Silver Bazaar items)

[Kalsam]

Good to know, thanks! Are they all desynthable? I know the ones that are actually weapons themselves are (the Blunt Aeolian Scimitar), but are the others? It'd make sense for the Bloody Cesti Covers, Bloody Axe Head, and Bloody Grimoire Binding to be, but I'm pretty sure the Pinprick Pebble isn't...

(And they should all be r55, which is the same as the Silver Bazaar items)

As long as it says "Bloody", it's desynthable.

BSM => Bloody Bardiche Head, Bloody Lance Head, & Bloody Knife Blades.
LTW => Bloody Cesti Covers, & Bloody Grimoire Binding.
CRP => Bloody Bow Rim.

As Wanderer's Palace (Normal) is fairly easy to solo on any class up to the second boss (which gives you all the chests that drop these items), it could potentially be cheaper overall depending on how much someone wants to run WP.

Of course, a crafter could then also turn the Aeolian Scimitar and Pinprick into their precursor relics for desynthing, this way too. For BSM and GSM.

[Nyalia]

As Wanderer's Palace (Normal) is fairly easy to solo on any class up to the second boss (which gives you all the chests that drop these items), it could potentially be cheaper overall depending on how much someone wants to run WP.

I guess it all comes down to what gil value you place on your time. While you totally can farm for the items, every class has a 3k vendor-bought item at r55. So, how long does a run take? Six minutes? How many bloody items do you get on average? Two? So, that's 6k gil per 6 minutes, or 60k per hour of farming. Is that a good trade for you? Also, those vendor-bought items can yield items that get you much of the money back, depending on the class (and how many people are still running the zodiac quest). I'm not sure what the bloody items can yield.

[Kalsam]

-snip- I'm not sure what the bloody items can yield.

That's why I specifically said it could 'potentially' be cheaper. Not that it was. On PLD, at least, I can do the run in about 3-4mins if I just kill what I need to, zone the rest on the boss, then death run to the other two chests.
With the amount of time it takes to sell the items from desynthing the bazaar items, it's been a better turnout on the bloody items for my BSM and CRP. At least monetarily. lol

And ah, sorry. Meant to give you the list of what they give too. >.<
The BSM items turn into Darksteel Nuggets, Cobalt Ingots, Battlecraft AND Fieldcraft II Demimateria.
The Bow Rims turn into Rosewood Lumber, (very occassionally) Yew Lumber, and again the Battlecraft and Fieldcraft II Demimateria.

[Nyalia]

That's why I specifically said it could 'potentially' be cheaper. Not that it was. On PLD, at least, I can do the run in about 3-4mins if I just kill what I need to, zone the rest on the boss, then death run to the other two chests.
With the amount of time it takes to sell the items from desynthing the bazaar items, it's been a better turnout on the bloody items for my BSM and CRP. At least monetarily. lol

And ah, sorry. Meant to give you the list of what they give too. >.<
The BSM items turn into Darksteel Nuggets, Cobalt Ingots, Battlecraft AND Fieldcraft II Demimateria.
The Bow Rims turn into Rosewood Lumber, (very occassionally) Yew Lumber, and again the Battlecraft and Fieldcraft II Demimateria.

Okay, well, with the value of Darksteel these days due to airships, that's not a bad option then.

[BonzaiFerroni]

Here is something interesting although maybe not incredibly useful, gear from Ramuh items seems to have a chance to give type IV materia. Maybe this is similar to Shiva gear, as you mentioned in your guide. Since they don't have their own demimateria like the other primals, maybe they get regular materia. I wonder if Leviathan has the same.

[Promathia19]

I got a Battlecraft Demi III from one of the Valerian pieces from the Expert Roulette dungeons. So it's not just BC2s