Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Nyalia]

^ What everyone else has said. Even getting 0.0001 skill ups (10% chance of 0.01 skill up - lowest possible amount of exp a desynth can give) is enough to hit max, as long as you are making money from it. When Bridesmaid's Sandals were introduced, I went from ~60 LTW dSkill to 100.00 (max at the time) on the r70 shoes. Sure, it took about a thousand desynths to get from 99.00 to 100.00, but I desynthed over five thousand of them, so that really wasn't much of anything. I might do the same with my favorite belts in 3.0 to get to LTW 178 (they are only r148), and that's totally a valid option as they are still very profitable right now.

But, as others have said, dungeon gear from Ex dungeons is r160. It will take dozens to level up, so it won't happen fast. Alternatively, just wait it out. Getting your dSkill up ahead of time doesn't generally help *that* much in the long run, especially if you don't generally use Tinker's Bacon. Tinker's Bacon is the equivalent of 7.5-10 desynth skill points, after all, depending on the relative dSkill/rlvls involved.

Only CUL desynth can get useful amounts of dSkill near cap, as there are r180 fish that can be desynthed. However, I believe the fish jump from r150 (f60) right to r180 (f60*), so that's likely an awkward gap...



LTW and WVR guides largely updated with ~100-160 suggestions. I'll do the others soon, and then redo the early parts of the guide now that I have a program that tells me exactly which are the cheapest way to level, and which leveling items are actually profitable!

[Ranzan]

Was wonder which would be better to level up between Arm or Bsm for Adamantite nuggets? imma reset 1 of my desynths cause on my server there are becoming more pricey. ><

[Arcticharm]

Only CUL desynth can get useful amounts of dSkill near cap, as there are r180 fish that can be desynthed. However, I believe the fish jump from r150 (f60) right to r180 (f60*), so that's likely an awkward gap...

Just chiming in on Cul desynth, I'm at 164ish now and I've just been using fish I've gathered up while leveling/doing blue/red scrips. The above gap mentioned didn't really exist and it's been a smooth transition for skill after I got through the mounds of ice faerie bodies I used to get from pre ARR levels to ~130s. Currently just blowing up the thunder eels and thaliks that aren't good enough for red scrips for skill and they're giving decent skill (around 0.10) without Tinker's Bacon

[Nyalia]

Was wonder which would be better to level up between Arm or Bsm for Adamantite nuggets? imma reset 1 of my desynths cause on my server there are becoming more pricey. ><

I'm pretty sure it'll be either ARM or LTW. ARM: Adamantite Tassets of ..., bought for 11,484 from the Goblin Trader, gives 1-2x Adamantite Nugget (EY: 0.5) and 1x Dragon Leather (EY: 0.33). LTW: Serpentskin Hunting Belt of ..., bought for 11,880 from the Repository Node, gives 1x Adamantite Nugget (EY: 0.33) and 1-2x Amphiptere Leather (EY: 0.5).

BSM's best option is noticeably worse than either (I think it's Adamantite Scythe bought from the Junkmonger in Matoya's cave? But, it's 50% more expensive than the belts, still only EY: 0.33, and other drops from it are all junk)

EDIT: Oops! Sorry about that, I totally missed Adamantite Pliers. BSM is actually not bad for getting Adamantite, but ARM is still better. Adamantite Pliers are 15,966 gil in Matoya's Cave, which is sitll 50% more than ARM/LTW belts, but has a yield of 0.5 for Adamantite Nugget and 0.33 for Adamantite Rivets. If you need the rivets, this is technically the best option by a slight margin... but that's ignoring the value of the other drops.

So, to math it out:

ARM: 22,968 per Adamantite Nugget (but each Nugget comes with 2/3rds of a Dragon Leather for free)
BSM: 19,159 per Adamantite Nugget (assuming Rivets count as Nuggets)
LTW: 35,640 per Adamantite Nugget (but each Nugget comes with 1.5 Amphiptere Leather for free)

If Dragon Leather is worth 6k or more, ARM is better than BSM. Otherwise, BSM is better than ARM.
If Amphiptere Leather is worth 11k or more, LTW is better than BSM. Otherwise, BSM is better than LTW.
If Amphiptere Leather is worth more than: ((4/9 * Dragon Leather) + 8,448), LTW is better than ARM. Otherwise, ARM is better than LTW.

Nyalia just a question, did u know or have heard into what can be desynthed the blue script items?, i would like try but for gatherer feet im just have LTW 3% sucess rate unbuffed, and too i would first get my other folkore tomes, but im curious if something interesting may come from it.

See the post a little above you - that's the only time I've heard someone desynth one of those. So, I have no idea what can be obtained. There's a chance MCDs are obtained from them, if SE is consistent, but who knows?

Just chiming in on Cul desynth, I'm at 164ish now and I've just been using fish I've gathered up while leveling/doing blue/red scrips. The above gap mentioned didn't really exist and it's been a smooth transition for skill after I got through the mounds of ice faerie bodies I used to get from pre ARR levels to ~130s. Currently just blowing up the thunder eels and thaliks that aren't good enough for red scrips for skill and they're giving decent skill (around 0.10) without Tinker's Bacon

Well, while CUL is definitely quick to level up to 165, I was worried about ~168-175 due to the need for r180 fish. You should have a low chance of success to desynth those (27% at 168), and I expected them to be difficult to fish up like the r80 fish were. But, if you're doing it anyway for red scrips, that makes sense!

[Arcticharm]

Well, while CUL is definitely quick to level up to 165, I was worried about ~168-175 due to the need for r180 fish. You should have a low chance of success to desynth those (27% at 168), and I expected them to be difficult to fish up like the r80 fish were. But, if you're doing it anyway for red scrips, that makes sense!

I spoke too soon, tonight I observed the gap you were talking about. A friend handed off a bunch of lungfish to me and my % chance to desynth those is down around 25% without buffs at 167ish. So you're right there is definitely a gap there to drive skill ups. That being said, he found these fish while catching tiny Axoltol (sp?) for red scrip turn ins so the cul desynth skill ups should still come pretty naturally while trying to get the new gear for the moment. It helps to have fishing friends unwilling to level their cul desynth

[Nyalia]

I spoke too soon, tonight I observed the gap you were talking about.

CUL at the end is weird, just like before. Before, 1-80 were super fast, but then you stopped getting exp from anything except Big Fish, and the "small" Big Fish like Octomammoth don't give great exp there. But, the r80 fish are hard and slow to catch, so you struggle on r80 Big Fish until ~90, and then there's a gap before Better Crowned Pies at r110.

So, CUL is like:
r1-r50, r55, r70, r75, r80, (GAP), r110, r120, r125, r130, r133, r136, r139, r142, r145, r148, r150, (GAP), r180

Other classes go:
r1-r50, r55, (limited r60), r70, (limited r80), r90, r100, r110, r115, r120, r125, r130, r133, r136, r139, r142, r145, r148, r150, r160

CUL has those two 30-point gaps where there are literally no desynthable items, period, within the gap. Okay, I'm slightly misleading here - there is a single, impractical item at r90 - trader-eel pies. But, ignoring those as non-viable for leveling, the above is true! But I guess the gap isn't so bad in HW because the r180 fish seem easier to catch than the r80 ones were?

The other classes do not have such gaps. The worst gap is r70-r90, and there are some r80 and even some r75 items in there for specific classes. There is sort of a gap at the very end, but only because items above r160 that aren't fish are not YET desynthable. Eventually, they'll exist, but r151-r179 CUL desynthable items very likely never will.


So, CUL is the easiest to get from 175-180, but the gap makes 165-175 awkward. The other classes are really easy to get all the way from 110 to 170, but then it's very, very hard to get them from 170 to 180 at the moment.



Are the quick guides helpful the way I did them? In general, I stripped out all alternate suggestions and just provided a single path for the quick guides (with a few exceptions where needed). I'll get the other ones done soon.

[Salurian]

I'm currently right at 88 Culinarian desynth, and I can tell you that the gap is... painful.

I'm trying to hit ilvl 90 before trying for better crowned pies... but I don't really have an easy way to get them since I don't have that much in the way of leves and aside from potentially blowing all my company seals to buy a mere 11 pies, I'm kinda hesitant to work with them.

Just to confirm, you start at least having a chance to desynth something at ~25 rlvl below it, right? Because if that is the case then if I can just make it to 95, I'm willing to mass desynth stacks icepick at 5% and such at rlvl 120 to raise it up. Once I hit HW fish I have a major stockpile to raise me up quickly.

[Arcticharm]

I'm currently right at 88 Culinarian desynth, and I can tell you that the gap is... painful.

I'm trying to hit ilvl 90 before trying for better crowned pies... but I don't really have an easy way to get them since I don't have that much in the way of leves and aside from potentially blowing all my company seals to buy a mere 11 pies, I'm kinda hesitant to work with them.

Just to confirm, you start at least having a chance to desynth something at ~25 rlvl below it, right? Because if that is the case then if I can just make it to 95, I'm willing to mass desynth stacks icepick at 5% and such at rlvl 120 to raise it up. Once I hit HW fish I have a major stockpile to raise me up quickly.

I don't know if they're still good to use or not but Takitaro were good fish to skill up on till about 90-95 or so. They can be fished up all day in urth's font and were often brought back from retainer quests so they might be relatively cheap on your market board. From there I just spammed ice faerie and whatever other fish I could find to get to HQ levels. There's not really much consequence since it's that or NPC them for a small amount of gil.