Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Teiren]

Hey, good call on using the Griffon Talon Needles. Even with NQ Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm, they weren't bad at 150. I don't know about recouping my costs because I haven't crafted in Heavensward yet and I know desynthesis is pretty lackluster if you're not a crafter, but oh well, I'm weird.

From 32 successful desynthesis(es?):
12 Griffin Talons
4 Adamantite Nuggets
1 HQ Adamantite Nugget
4 Birch Lumber
2 HQ Birch Lumber
21 FCII
0 Cloud Mica Whetstones
32 Wind Clusters, 1 from each one, no Fire Clusters

[Nyalia]

Hey, good call on using the Griffon Talon Needles. Even with NQ Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm, they weren't bad at 150. I don't know about recouping my costs because I haven't crafted in Heavensward yet and I know desynthesis is pretty lackluster if you're not a crafter, but oh well, I'm weird.

From 32 successful desynthesis(es?):
12 Griffin Talons
4 Adamantite Nuggets
1 HQ Adamantite Nugget
4 Birch Lumber
2 HQ Birch Lumber
21 FCII
0 Cloud Mica Whetstones
32 Wind Clusters, 1 from each one, no Fire Clusters

Thanks! Small sample size, but let me see what my algorithm says your average should be -
4.267 NQ Griffin Talons
1.067 HQ Griffin Talons
4.267 NQ Adamantite Nuggets
1.067 HQ Adamantite Nuggets
4.267 NQ Birch Lumber
1.067 HQ Birch Lumber
21.33 FC2s
4.267 NQ Cloud Mica Whetstones
1.067 HQ Cloud Mica Whetstones
32 Wind Clusters
0 Fire Clusters

That's spot on for the FC2s, Adamantite Nuggets, Birch Lumber, and Clusters. However, it looks like Griffin Talons are more common than average, and Cloud Mica Whetstones are less common than average.

Let's see, ilvls....

Griffin Talon: i148, r???
Adamantite Nugget: i148, r145
Birch Lumber: i148, r145
Cloud Mica Whetstone: i139, r139

Huh, that's... really weird. If anything, I'd expect the whetstones to be MORE common than the rest, not less. But, now that you mention it, I've noticed that I obtain far fewer Basilisk Whetstones than other mats too when desynthing stuff that can drop them. I'm not sure what's going on here... I mean, logically, you shouldn't be able to get whetstones from desynth at all! Like glues and dissolvents and stuff, that should be used up by the crafting process, not a part of the final product. Still, I HAVE gotten them back before.

If item levels affect the yield like I suspect, it must be the rlvl and not the ilvl, and Griffin Talons must have a low rlvl despite their high ilvl. Unfortunately, I don't know the recipe for Griffin Talons (I suspect it's something like 1x Griffin, 1x Adamantite Claw Hammer, and yields 12x talons per synth) much less the recipe level.


In other words, very useful information, but I must needs gather moar data!




Btw, according to my notes, at that level, you should use Aurum Regis Circlet of Healing (bought from the Repository Node) instead. However, my notes are a little skewed by the fact that you can't get dissolvents back (you can't, right?). I need to factor in the irretrievable items, like glues and dissolvents... Still, the chance at Chimerical Felt and the 50% more Aurum Regis Nuggets should make it noticeably more valuable than the Griffin Talon Needles. That will make up for the slightly increased cost to purchase. There's also no "garbage" drop from the circlets like with the Griffin Talon Needles (where the griffin talons are worth significantly less than the rest of the mats). Of course, that's not counting the worthless demimateria... In the end though, my math says that nothing is a straight profit anymore like it was at release. Prices, at least on my server, have come down too far for that from GSM. This may not be true for other classes, particularly LTW and ARM, but I haven't done the data entry for those yet, only GSM.



In other news, for GSM desynthers, according to my data so far, at max dSkill (where everything crafted/bought has a 100% success rate), you will get the most money for your time desynthing Gold Spectacles. My math tells me the BC3s you get for it outweigh the cost (at 70k per BC3), resulting in a gain of, on average, 5k profit per desynth. This does not take into account the time it takes to mass-craft them. This rate assumes dSkill 120+. The best profit you can make per desynth for an item that can be bought from a vendor is, at least for now on my server (and assuming my math is right), Silver Choker at 1,362 gil per click or Silver Wristlets at 1,262 gil per click. Those only require dSkill 50 and 36 respectively for max value (100% success rate). Of course, those two are only that profitable right now due to an inflated value of Silver Ingots, along with a steady decent price for FC1s. I don't know if it will come down or not in the near future, making that no longer a good profit.

Always keep in mind that my maths use the values of items on my server. YMMV.

[Gil_Knght]

Battlecraft Demi 3 from Valerian Rogue Gaskins

Didn't see to yield before the most recent patch.

[Nyalia]

Battlecraft Demi 3 from Valerian Rogue Gaskins

Didn't see to yield before the most recent patch.

Okay! So, the 60 dungeon gear drops BC3s. I wonder about the pre-60 dungeon gear. I've failed like, every time I broke 51-53 dungeon gear with a 95%+ chance on each. ("Eh, I could wait, but I need inventory space and there's no way this will fail! .... Okay, there's no way this will fail again!" <_<)

Has anyone broke level 60 crafted stuff (r150)? I'm guessing no one has broken the 60* stuff (r160) yet, because that would be incredibly expensive!

[Aeyis]

Has anyone broke level 60 crafted stuff (r150)? I'm guessing no one has broken the 60* stuff (r160) yet, because that would be incredibly expensive!

Just one so far. Only gave me 1 Clear Demimateria III and 1 Cluster tho.

[Aeyis]

In other news, for GSM desynthers, according to my data so far, at max dSkill (where everything crafted/bought has a 100% success rate), you will get the most money for your time desynthing Gold Spectacles. My math tells me the BC3s you get for it outweigh the cost (at 70k per BC3), resulting in a gain of, on average, 5k profit per desynth. T

Those were my thoughts as well. However it seems they nerfed the desynth drops? I mostly got clear glass lenses from them. Altho I did get a BCIII every once a while, I didnt seem to get much of any gold back, meaning the recraft rate was next to zero for me. Tried about 15~ iirc.

[Nyalia]

Those were my thoughts as well. However it seems they nerfed the desynth drops? I mostly got clear glass lenses from them. Altho I did get a BCIII every once a while, I didnt seem to get much of any gold back, meaning the recraft rate was next to zero for me. Tried about 15~ iirc.

I really need to get the weighting down on the yields... Maybe I should go find a cheap craft that theoretically pays for itself and burn a couple hundred desynths, marking down the results. Something where there's a very large discrepancy between the ilvls/rlvls of the mats.