Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[nekuxdesu]

How exactly am I supposed to get from 85 gsm desynth to 100ish to be able to start working on 3.0 gear (npc)
Ive had horrible luck getting into coil df on my sch and go luck getting people to do 2.4 dungos right now
Do I just dump all my gil and hope I can find good mats?

[Aeyis]

How exactly am I supposed to get from 85 gsm desynth to 100ish to be able to start working on 3.0 gear (npc)
Ive had horrible luck getting into coil df on my sch and go luck getting people to do 2.4 dungos right now
Do I just dump all my gil and hope I can find good mats?

Materia melded gold spectacles would be your best bet. It depends a bit on the material cost, but right now crafted items are pretty much the only way. (unless you can make premade parties for the 2.4 dungeons)
One fortunate thing is that many 3 star materials are very cheap now.

[Nyalia]

How exactly am I supposed to get from 85 gsm desynth to 100ish to be able to start working on 3.0 gear (npc)
Ive had horrible luck getting into coil df on my sch and go luck getting people to do 2.4 dungos right now
Do I just dump all my gil and hope I can find good mats?

I gave pre-HQ advice for exactly this question here. However, some of it doesn't still apply, since T4 spam seems like it'll be much harder than when everyone was grinding light, and PvP has been extremely hard to get into with everyone busy doing the new content. PvP will be easier to queue for soon when the new PvP rules and gear come out next patch.

At 85, you have two main options right now: Use new stuff with really terrible chances, or use old stuff that might be cheaper than it used to be.

For new stuff, at 85, with Tinker's Bacon (HQ Tinker's Calm + HQ Bacon Broth), you should have a 15% chance to desynth Agate Rings (r115). I have no idea how much exp this would give, but let's assume 0.9 (it could be higher, I dunno, I've never heard of someone trying this). If you meld materia, every materia gives +5%. Agate Rings cost at most 10,949 (vendor price) each. 10949/(0.15*0.9) = 81,103 gil per level unmelded. Let's assume the cheapest materia you can find is 500 gil (a high estimate, I'd expect). ((10949+500*1)/(0.20*0.9)) = 63,605 gil per level for a single meld. Better! Now, double meld: ((10949+(500*3.22))/(0.25*0.9)) = 55,818 gil per level. Triple meld: ((10949+(500*7.39))/(0.30*0.9)) = 54,237. We've hit diminishing returns. But, if you can get materia for cheaper, like 200 gil each, we haven't yet (46k for triple meld, vs 51.5k for double meld). So, if the cheapest materia you can find is 400 or more, double meld. If the cheapest materia you can find is under 400, triple meld. Obviously, get all the rings and do all the melds until you have ~25 prepped and do them all at once to save on Tinker's Bacon. Without Tinker's Bacon, this is all over 100k per level and I wouldn't recommend it. With NQ broth/calm, you're also looking at a sharp price increase. So, take those into consideration. I have no idea what Tinker's Bacon costs on your server, but on mine, Tinker's Calm had been cheap for a while since the mats it requires are used by absolutely nothing else. I think I bought the mats for 50 of them for 50k total.


For old stuff, check out what's happened to Rose Gold Ingots and Gold Ingots. All my Weathered Soldiery items converted into Rose Gold Ingots, so they might be tanking in value. Also, you can now buy all the Soldiery mats from the GC vendor. Since most people expected a new GC rank, I'll bet most people did what I did and saved up 50k GC seals pre-expansion only to find that not only are there no new GC ranks, we're getting tons of GC seals from GC turnins for crafting leveling, so we need to dump our seals fast. I'll bet all GC mats are tanking... though some are also needed for airships, so that may go up instead. It's hard to tell. On that note, Rose Gold Ingots are also needed for airships, so they might and might not be going down.

Definitely check melded Gold Spectacles. If you can make them, check both the price of the finished mats and the base mats. Do the math out - every server is going to be wildly different for those mats right now until the markets settle. Here are the formulas to plug prices into:

• Unmelded Gold Spectacles: ((53+{Wind Cluster}*2+{Fire Cluster}+{Rose Gold Nugget}+{Gold Ingot}+{Terminus Putty}*2)/(0.40*0.5))
• Double-melded Gold Spectacles: (({Cheap Materia}*2+53+{Wind Cluster}*2+{Fire Cluster}+{Rose Gold Nugget}+{Gold Ingot}+{Terminus Putty}*2)/(0.50*0.5))
• Triple-melded Gold Spectacles: (({Cheap Materia}*4.22+53+{Wind Cluster}*2+{Fire Cluster}+{Rose Gold Nugget}+{Gold Ingot}+{Terminus Putty}*2)/(0.55*0.5))
• Quad-melded Gold Spectacles: (({Cheap Materia}*8.39+53+{Wind Cluster}*2+{Fire Cluster}+{Rose Gold Nugget}+{Gold Ingot}+{Terminus Putty}*2)/(0.60*0.5))
• Carbuncle Chronometer: ((2570+{Wind Cluster}*2+{Fire Cluster}+{Rose Gold Nugget}*5+{Gold Ingot}+{Cobalt Rivets}*4+{Ruby})/(0.40*0.5)) [remember to calc the value of a finished mat using the base mats if that's cheaper, like instead of {Ruby}, ({Fire Cluster}+{Wind Cluster}*2+{Emery}+{Raw Ruby}) might be cheaper]
• Furnace Ring: (({Wind Cluster}*2+{Fire Cluster}+{Basilisk Whetstone}+{Belah'dian Silver}+{Aged Eye of Fire})/(0.40*0.5)) [Remember you can replace "Aged Eye of Fire" with 15000 (average price of getting it yourself from Aged Rings) if that's cheaper]

Remember, if you have access to Tinker's Bacon, increase the values appropriately (so like, in the first formula, the 0.40 becomes 0.55 with HQ Tinker's Bacon).


If you work out what's most economical for you, please let me know!

[Nyalia]

Hardsilver Monocle of Healing (i133, lvl 54 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 34% chance to desynth.
Hardsilver Earrings of Healing (i133, lvl 55 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 28.5% chance to desynth.
Dragon Fang Earrings (i120, lvl 56 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 24% chance to desynth.

Perfect!

Hardsilver Monocle of Healing 34% ::= 50-34=16/2=8 rlvls above dSkill; 125+8 = 133; c54 = r133
Hardsilver Earrings of Healing 28.5% ::= 30-28.5=1.5/1.5=1+10=11, 11 rlvls above dSkill; 125+11 = 136; c55 = r136
Dragon Fang Earrings 24% ::= 30-24=6/1.5=4+10=14, 14 rlvls above dSkill; 125+14 = 139; c56 = r139

Extrapolating both directions:

• c51 = r120
• c52 = r125
• c53 = r130
• c54 = r133
• c55 = r136
• c56 = r139
• c57 = r142
• c58 = r145
• c59 = r148
• c60 = r150
• c60* = r160??? (unconfirmed)

Hmm! When I have time to go back into game, I'll have to check the "c51" items from before and see if I'm a total derp and they were r120, not r115. Or if the lowest new crafter items are actually listed as c50 and are r115, which would be really weird. It's looking like crafter levels are working the same as fish levels, I just didn't pay enough attention to my own data. Oops! I'll update it soon.

[Nyalia]

Verified to work.

Thank you for the verification! I'll update that when I make my next update to the guide, but I'm waiting on verifying whether c51 items are r120 or r115. I could have sworn they were r115, but all evidence suggests that's wrong. Also, I'm kind of a ditz, so it's likely I miscounted!

Would you like me to list yields from gear?
What should I contribute?

The best way to help me would be if you put your yields on the google doc I linked in the OP. There's a "Public Data" page where anyone can put stuff. To use it: the "num" is the maximum number of that item you've ever gotten (chances seem uniform between 1 and max), the "times" column is the number of times you've gotten that result from desynthing (NOT the total number of items, just the number of times you received 1+ of that item), and ignore HQ/NQ (it's 20% chance of HQ for all mats).

If you send me your google account name via email or by posting it in the "Public Comments" section of the sheet, I can add a page for you to enter data on. The sheet is protected the way it is to prevent/reduce vandalism. Because reasons.

[Aeyis]

Agate Ring of Casting (lvl 51 GSM recipe): 125.87 = 70% chance to desynth.
Mythrite Earrings of Casting (lvl 51 GSM recipe) at 125.87 = 60% chance to desynth.
Mythril Bangle of Casting (lvl 51 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 60% chance to desynth.
Mythrite Needle (lvl 52 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 50% chance to desynth


Seems like agate rings were given a slightly lower recipe level.



Seems to confirm your calculations.

[Nyalia]

Agate Ring of Casting (lvl 51 GSM recipe): 125.87 = 70% chance to desynth.
Mythrite Earrings of Casting (lvl 51 GSM recipe) at 125.87 = 60% chance to desynth.
Mythril Bangle of Casting (lvl 51 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 60% chance to desynth.
Mythrite Needle (lvl 52 GSM recipe): at 125.87 = 50% chance to desynth


Seems like agate rings were given a slightly lower recipe level.



Seems to confirm your calculations.

Thanks for the additional info. Yeah, that's extremely weird to me. Not sure how to tell what's r115 and what's r120.... but after that, everything looks clear.

[Refna]

I got 3 BC2 by desynthing Agate ring of xxx. So they give more than just 1 BC2.

[Nyonmyan]

Leveled LTW from 0 to 124 today.

Bridesmaid is not that great on my server, since Field3 has crashed in just two days and sells for 20k or so now. Spruce wood and Hyppo leather have compensated the costs.
I've started buying Archaeoskin Belts since 94d skill, with NQ bacon and Tinker it was 20ish percent. Out of about 40 successful desynths I had 0.9 gain 1-2 times, 0.8 about 20 times and the rest were 0.6 and 0.4.

I strongly recommend to not buy from npc merchant and check marketplace first. 115 and 125 equipment goes as main quest rewards and players often sell 115-125ilvl equipment for 1-2k!

Archaeoskin stuff mostly desynths into rainbow thread (3k) and Archaeoskin leather (30k). I expect leather price to crash as it is too easy to get and Archaeoskin equipment is somewhat pointless, with quest rewards and all.

Spent about 2-3 million overall, stuff that I got worth maybe 1.5-2kk, much more if not for Field3 price crash

Going to level carpented and culinarian/fisher next.

[Nyalia]

Leveled LTW from 0 to 124 today.

Thanks for the updated info!!

Yeah, FC3s are no longer required for crafter progression, so it makes sense that they're tanking. I'm so sad none of the new stuff uses demimateria (with trivial exceptions) I'll update the LTW note next time I update the guide. Still, 6k for an i70 item isn't that bad. You have to get up high enough to do the r115 stuff somehow.

Archaeornis Leather is so expensive relative to other new things largely because the skin is a pain to get right now. The enemies that drop it do so pretty rarely. I killed twenty and only one dropped the skin, though it did drop three. Compared to items that are mined or harvested, this is far, far slower - I obtained 60 Mythrite Sand (12 nuggets worth) in the time it took me to get 3 Archaeornis Skins (1 leather worth). The leather also takes Coerthan Tea Leaves, which appear to only be from an unspoiled node, unlike the base mats for other classes which take stuff from non-unspoiled. The easiest way to get it seems to be desynth, actually. The leaves are also needed for the next level of leather. Why couldn't they have given us seeds for the tea leaves too? No new items can be grown in gardens...

So, everyone who is an LTW desynther and reading this thread, capitalize on desynthing the belts right now before the price of leather tanks. You can get them for only 9k from vendors if the MB prices are higher than 9k. The belts are r115, can drop up to two leather, and only have one other ingredient. You should be able to make much more than they cost as you level to ~140 dSkill, just like we did with the Bridesmaid's Sandals. Just, uhh, if you're on Faerie, don't do this before I can <_<

So, it seems that the way to tell what's r115 and what's r120 for the c51 items is to look at the "Difficulty" of the craft. Items with 339 Difficulty are r115, and items with 421 Difficulty are r120. As a side-note, it seems the levels listed in XIVDB for the recipes are the "rlvl"s that I've been referring to. They have "Agate Ring of ..." as "recipe level 115" and "Yeti Staff" as "recipe level 120".