Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Coryza]

Hey all,

Fishers can get NQ Gigant Clams extremely easy while they are fishing for Lucis. they have a very high hook rate compared to other i80 fish and this is probably the best way to level CUL desynth until you can do Better Crowned Pies.

[Nyalia]

Hey all,

Fishers can get NQ Gigant Clams extremely easy while they are fishing for Lucis. they have a very high hook rate compared to other i80 fish and this is probably the best way to level CUL desynth until you can do Better Crowned Pies.

Pretty solid advice there. I'll add it to the OP next update.

[CodeAscalon]

Hey guys! Have read the post and it helped me a lot thanks for that!

Anyway I have another question and hope some of you could answer quickly, would really appreciate it <3

What of those Artisan's items (ilv 70) can my weaver desynth. I noticed that goldsmith can desynth a certian amount of things but didn't see any the weaver can.

Hope you understand my question.

with regards Ascalon

[Xenosan]

What of those Artisan's items (ilv 70) can my weaver desynth.

You can desynth the Artisan Gowns and Chausses.

Only need 4 HQ Plywoods to turn in for those items.

However these gear items don't have the same desynthesis MCD yield potential that the artisan Mainhand tools do, so you are at that disadvantage. if you aren't interested in desynthesis with Blacksmith, Goldsmith, or Armorer you won't have that best yield potential, but that only really matters if you're trying to be competitive in selling MCD on the market board.

edit: You can also be desynthing wedding gear for FC3. You can desynth forager hats too, but the turn-ins for DoL hasn't been nerfed as much as DoH, they're still grindy

[CodeAscalon]

You can desynth the Artisan Gowns and Chausses.

Only need 4 HQ Plywoods to turn in for those items.

However these gear items don't have the same desynthesis MCD yield potential that the artisan Mainhand tools do, so you are at that disadvantage. if you aren't interested in desynthesis with Blacksmith, Goldsmith, or Armorer you won't have that best yield potential, but that only really matters if you're trying to be competitive in selling MCD on the market board.

Hey, thanks!

But its weird, I tried to desynth artisans chausses, but there was no option for that.
And you're right. Currently I am leveling my goldsmith to 50 and wanna bring desynth up too. So there are more chances to get Mastercraft Demimateria from Mainhand items right? Does it make sense if I do it with the goldsmith then?

[Nyalia]

As said in the OP, for some reason I cannot fathom, SE has decided not to make the i70 WVR/LTW/CRP Artisan's items from Talan desynthable. They gave a "reason" ("the newest gear is never desynthable"), except it's trivial to prove that is completely untrue. The i100 sets from the 2.5 dungeons were desynthable at release, for instance. So, it's just a really weird decision that makes GSM, BSM, and ARM the only desynth classes that can (realistically) acquire MCDs. Hopefully, they'll be more consistent and sensible in 3.x with whatever the MCD equivalent is there.

[Empty-handed]

i did 25 Artisan Specs recently and got 2xFC3 and 4 MCDs

the rest was junk

[Nyalia]

i did 25 Artisan Specs recently and got 2xFC3 and 4 MCDs

the rest was junk

That's exactly average according to my data (16%).

[Empty-handed]

anyone tried spamming "Better Crowned Pie (r110) -> Rose Gold Ring, Electrum Ring, FC3, FC2". any data about the average drop rate of FC3?. my culinarian desynth is now at 90.

once i get it to 95 i will start spamming the crowned pies. ( leve allowance 99).

1 per 2 leves = 49. it should take me beyond level 100 cul desynth for sure.

... but... is it worth it? i have no other use for my leves at this moment. :/

[Nyalia]

is it worth it?

If you are maxed on leves and want to get CUL desynth to 110, you definitely want to start doing the leves to get the 3x turnins and use them to stockpile Better Crowned Pies.

Leveling CUL past 100 is slow without using the pies because there are no fish above r80. This means minimal exp gains at dSkill 100+ from fish, even the rarest and hardest to catch fish in the game. There are only three CUL desynthable items that are r90+, and those are Tailor-made Eel Pie (r90), Rich Tomato Relish, and Better Crowned Pie (r110). Rich Tomato Relish requires 2x FC3s, so that's about 60k each, and Tailor-made Eel pies require a fish that generally sells for 100-200k (last time I checked) on my server since it's needed for the Zodiac quest. And, those two are only r90. Because of those points, Better Crowned Pies are by far the best for leveling from dSkill 100 to dSkill 110.

That said, at dSkill 90, your chances of successfully desynthing them are really bad. 15% without Careful Desynth items, 30% with HQ Tinker's Calm and HQ Bacon Broth both up. At dSkill 95, your chances will be 22.5% (37.5% with +6 Careful Desynth). Neither of those are particularly great, but you will get ~0.7-0.8 dSkill per success.

So, let's do some maths!

CD6 = "Careful Desynthesis +6" (meaning, with HQ Tinker's Calm + HQ Bacon Broth)

At dSkill 90, you will get ~0.20 dSkill per r80 fish. Your success rate is 70% (85% with CD6), and you need ~5 successes to level to 91. At 91, you'll need ~5.55 to get to 92, then ~6.25 for 93, then ~7.14 for 94, then ~8.33 for 95. So, using fish to get from 90 to 95 will require 32 successful desynths. Factoring in your success rate, it's actually 7.14 (CD6: 5.88) + 7.76 (CD6: 6.41) + 8.56 (CD6: 7.10) + 9.58 (CD6: 7.98) + 10.96 (CD6: 9.15) = 44 desynth attempts (CD6: 36.5).

Also at dSkill 90, you will get ~0.8 dSkill per r110 pie. Your success rate is 15% (30% with CD6), and you need 7 successes to level to 95 (2, 1, 1, 2, 1). That requires... ~40 attempts (~21.4 with CD6).

So, to get from 90 to 95, do you want to desynth 44 (or 36.5) r80 fish, or do you want to desynth 40 (or 21.4) better crowned pies?

To get from 95 to 100, it takes on average 31.6 better crowned pies (20 with CD6), and it takes.... (10/0.775)+(11.1/0.79)+(12.5/0.805)+(14.3/0.82)+(16.7/0.835) = ~80 r80 fish ((10/0.925)+(11.1/0.94)+(12.5/0.955)+(14.3/0.97)+(16.7/0.985) = ~67.4 with CD6).

So, going from 95 to 100, do you want to desynth 80 (or 67.4) r80 fish, or do you want to desynth 31.6 (20 with CD6) better crowned pies?

To get from 100 to 105, it takes on average (2/0.3)+(2/0.32)+(2/0.34)+(1/0.36)+(2/0.38)= 26.8 better crowned pies ((2/0.45)+(2/0.47)+(2/0.49)+(1/0.51)+(2/0.53)= 18.5 with CD6), and it takes.... (20/0.85)+(25/0.865)+(33/0.88)+(50/0.895)+(100/0.91) = ~255 r80 fish (228 at 100% with CD6).

So, going from 100 to 105, do you want to desynth 255 (or 228) r80 fish, or do you want to desynth 26.8 (18.5 with CD6) better crowned pies?

Clearly, at 100, the pies are better. Before that, it depends on how easily you can catch r80 fish. I think Gigant Clams are one of the easiest, and you can get ~3 of them per 72 minutes (spending only 9 minutes actually fishing). Would you rather catch 1 r80 fish or do 1 leve? At the dSkill 90 level, those are close to equal (assuming you go with CD6). Personally, I don't care much for DoL leves, despite them being free. I prefer DoH leves because you can quick synth, and then turn them all in together. Using just pies to get from dSkill 90 to dSkill 105, it will take you only ~60 pies (120 leves). At their cheapest, the leves will cost you about 1,700 gil each (and that's ignoring the value of the items obtained), so spending just ~200,000 gil (plus the cost of an HQ bacon broth and an HQ tinker's calm, so more like ~275,000 gil) and ~120 leves can get you from 90 to 105 with just pies. That's really nice, imo! Do I want to do the math for 105 to 110? Eh, sure, my wife will care.

(2/0.4)+(3/0.42)+(2/0.44)+(2/0.46)+(2/0.48)= 25.2 better crowned pies ((2/0.55)+(3/0.57)+(2/0.59)+(2/0.61)+(2/0.63)= 18.75 with CD6). So! ~350,000 gil (including the calm/broth) + 160 leves gets you from CUL dSkill 90 to 110 with just pies. That's cheap, imo! Time to grind out some NQ Mulled Tea, NQ Crowned Pies, and NQ Potent Silencing Potions (and maybe some NQ Cobalt Plate and/or NQ Potent Poisoning Potions, just to be safe)! And then, 100% chance to desynth any 2.x fish ^_^ Win!

If you go the pie-crazy route, stockpile your pies until you have ~80 and then desynth them all at once. That way, you only need one tinker's calm/bacon broth. Or, do it in two sessions of 40 if you'd rather, but that will up the cost. The cost will come down a lot if you can make the food/medicine yourself. If you do it in two sessions, you should get from 90 to 99-100 from just the first 40 if my math is correct and RNGesus doesn't hate you.