Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Nyalia]

As said in the OP, for some reason I cannot fathom, SE has decided not to make the i70 WVR/LTW/CRP Artisan's items from Talan desynthable. They gave a "reason" ("the newest gear is never desynthable"), except it's trivial to prove that is completely untrue. The i100 sets from the 2.5 dungeons were desynthable at release, for instance. So, it's just a really weird decision that makes GSM, BSM, and ARM the only desynth classes that can (realistically) acquire MCDs. Hopefully, they'll be more consistent and sensible in 3.x with whatever the MCD equivalent is there.

[CodeAscalon]

You can't desynth any artisan gear from Talan other than the main hands and the specs.. If the rest of the gear has become desynthable that would've been from 2.55 patch.. I didn't see any mention of it though.

So its good if I bring my goldsmith to 50 and desynth high enough to easily desynth the artisan's needle right? Sorry if I'm asking too much or simple questions but its the first time I really want to make money for a reason and it needs to be safe ^^'

Edit: Okay didn't see the post of Nyalia. That answers my question. So many thanks to all of you

[Nyalia]

So its good if I bring my goldsmith to 50

Desynthesis and crafting are not linked, except that you need to have a crafting class at level 30 or higher in order to start desynthing in that class. Having a crafting class any higher than 30 has no impact on your ability to desynth things.

If you want to make your own MCDs, there are two best options (and a few okay ones):

(1) Get BSM to 30 and CRP to 50, then BSM desynth to ~85+ and CRP to 3* crafting. Make HQ Spruce Plywood, which you can trade in for Artisan's Chocobotail Saws, which you can desynth with BSM desynth.

(2) Get GSM to 30 and WVR to 50, then GSM desynth to ~85+ and WVR to 3* crafting. Make HQ Silver Brocade, which you can trade in for Artisan's Needles, which you can desynth with GSM desynth.

As a note, you'll need CRP at 50 regardless to do endgame crafting, including making HQ Silver Brocade. It's a requirement for any endgame crafting due to the skill.

[Guesswhat]

Concerning GSM wolf mark desynthing... It's tedious to test this as wolf marks doesn't grow on trees, however, In my experience, the ilvl90 accessories yields much better BC3/mark than the ilvl70 does. Of course, ilvl90 is not an option if your dlvl isn't high enough.

Now I don't have the exact data, but I spent about 40000 on ilvl 70 and 20000 on ilvl 90.

The 40000 ilvl70 marks yielded 8 BC3s, while the 20000 ilvl90 marks yielded 11 BC3s. Take it with a grain of salt though, as it would probably take more data to get a dependable rate.

[Nyalia]

Concerning GSM wolf mark desynthing... It's tedious to test this as wolf marks doesn't grow on trees, however, In my experience, the ilvl90 accessories yields much better BC3/mark than the ilvl70 does. Of course, ilvl90 is not an option if your dlvl isn't high enough.

Now I don't have the exact data, but I spent about 40000 on ilvl 70 and 20000 on ilvl 90.

The 40000 ilvl70 marks yielded 8 BC3s, while the 20000 ilvl90 marks yielded 11 BC3s. Take it with a grain of salt though, as it would probably take more data to get a dependable rate.

Good info though, thanks!

[Empty-handed]

i did 25 Artisan Specs recently and got 2xFC3 and 4 MCDs

the rest was junk

[Nyalia]

i did 25 Artisan Specs recently and got 2xFC3 and 4 MCDs

the rest was junk

That's exactly average according to my data (16%).

[Empty-handed]

anyone tried spamming "Better Crowned Pie (r110) -> Rose Gold Ring, Electrum Ring, FC3, FC2". any data about the average drop rate of FC3?. my culinarian desynth is now at 90.

once i get it to 95 i will start spamming the crowned pies. ( leve allowance 99).

1 per 2 leves = 49. it should take me beyond level 100 cul desynth for sure.

... but... is it worth it? i have no other use for my leves at this moment. :/

[Nyalia]

is it worth it?

If you are maxed on leves and want to get CUL desynth to 110, you definitely want to start doing the leves to get the 3x turnins and use them to stockpile Better Crowned Pies.

Leveling CUL past 100 is slow without using the pies because there are no fish above r80. This means minimal exp gains at dSkill 100+ from fish, even the rarest and hardest to catch fish in the game. There are only three CUL desynthable items that are r90+, and those are Tailor-made Eel Pie (r90), Rich Tomato Relish, and Better Crowned Pie (r110). Rich Tomato Relish requires 2x FC3s, so that's about 60k each, and Tailor-made Eel pies require a fish that generally sells for 100-200k (last time I checked) on my server since it's needed for the Zodiac quest. And, those two are only r90. Because of those points, Better Crowned Pies are by far the best for leveling from dSkill 100 to dSkill 110.

That said, at dSkill 90, your chances of successfully desynthing them are really bad. 15% without Careful Desynth items, 30% with HQ Tinker's Calm and HQ Bacon Broth both up. At dSkill 95, your chances will be 22.5% (37.5% with +6 Careful Desynth). Neither of those are particularly great, but you will get ~0.7-0.8 dSkill per success.

So, let's do some maths!

CD6 = "Careful Desynthesis +6" (meaning, with HQ Tinker's Calm + HQ Bacon Broth)

At dSkill 90, you will get ~0.20 dSkill per r80 fish. Your success rate is 70% (85% with CD6), and you need ~5 successes to level to 91. At 91, you'll need ~5.55 to get to 92, then ~6.25 for 93, then ~7.14 for 94, then ~8.33 for 95. So, using fish to get from 90 to 95 will require 32 successful desynths. Factoring in your success rate, it's actually 7.14 (CD6: 5.88) + 7.76 (CD6: 6.41) + 8.56 (CD6: 7.10) + 9.58 (CD6: 7.98) + 10.96 (CD6: 9.15) = 44 desynth attempts (CD6: 36.5).

Also at dSkill 90, you will get ~0.8 dSkill per r110 pie. Your success rate is 15% (30% with CD6), and you need 7 successes to level to 95 (2, 1, 1, 2, 1). That requires... ~40 attempts (~21.4 with CD6).

So, to get from 90 to 95, do you want to desynth 44 (or 36.5) r80 fish, or do you want to desynth 40 (or 21.4) better crowned pies?

To get from 95 to 100, it takes on average 31.6 better crowned pies (20 with CD6), and it takes.... (10/0.775)+(11.1/0.79)+(12.5/0.805)+(14.3/0.82)+(16.7/0.835) = ~80 r80 fish ((10/0.925)+(11.1/0.94)+(12.5/0.955)+(14.3/0.97)+(16.7/0.985) = ~67.4 with CD6).

So, going from 95 to 100, do you want to desynth 80 (or 67.4) r80 fish, or do you want to desynth 31.6 (20 with CD6) better crowned pies?

To get from 100 to 105, it takes on average (2/0.3)+(2/0.32)+(2/0.34)+(1/0.36)+(2/0.38)= 26.8 better crowned pies ((2/0.45)+(2/0.47)+(2/0.49)+(1/0.51)+(2/0.53)= 18.5 with CD6), and it takes.... (20/0.85)+(25/0.865)+(33/0.88)+(50/0.895)+(100/0.91) = ~255 r80 fish (228 at 100% with CD6).

So, going from 100 to 105, do you want to desynth 255 (or 228) r80 fish, or do you want to desynth 26.8 (18.5 with CD6) better crowned pies?

Clearly, at 100, the pies are better. Before that, it depends on how easily you can catch r80 fish. I think Gigant Clams are one of the easiest, and you can get ~3 of them per 72 minutes (spending only 9 minutes actually fishing). Would you rather catch 1 r80 fish or do 1 leve? At the dSkill 90 level, those are close to equal (assuming you go with CD6). Personally, I don't care much for DoL leves, despite them being free. I prefer DoH leves because you can quick synth, and then turn them all in together. Using just pies to get from dSkill 90 to dSkill 105, it will take you only ~60 pies (120 leves). At their cheapest, the leves will cost you about 1,700 gil each (and that's ignoring the value of the items obtained), so spending just ~200,000 gil (plus the cost of an HQ bacon broth and an HQ tinker's calm, so more like ~275,000 gil) and ~120 leves can get you from 90 to 105 with just pies. That's really nice, imo! Do I want to do the math for 105 to 110? Eh, sure, my wife will care.

(2/0.4)+(3/0.42)+(2/0.44)+(2/0.46)+(2/0.48)= 25.2 better crowned pies ((2/0.55)+(3/0.57)+(2/0.59)+(2/0.61)+(2/0.63)= 18.75 with CD6). So! ~350,000 gil (including the calm/broth) + 160 leves gets you from CUL dSkill 90 to 110 with just pies. That's cheap, imo! Time to grind out some NQ Mulled Tea, NQ Crowned Pies, and NQ Potent Silencing Potions (and maybe some NQ Cobalt Plate and/or NQ Potent Poisoning Potions, just to be safe)! And then, 100% chance to desynth any 2.x fish ^_^ Win!

If you go the pie-crazy route, stockpile your pies until you have ~80 and then desynth them all at once. That way, you only need one tinker's calm/bacon broth. Or, do it in two sessions of 40 if you'd rather, but that will up the cost. The cost will come down a lot if you can make the food/medicine yourself. If you do it in two sessions, you should get from 90 to 99-100 from just the first 40 if my math is correct and RNGesus doesn't hate you.

[Empty-handed]

Reporting back. I'm at lvl 95 now . Yes it's 22% success rate

I can make the food but not the medicine. Sigh.

Hmmm. Ty for the informative reply. Really appreciate it.