Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Rohirrim]

I have to ask. I've seen several people mention Poetics i230 gear. Where are you obtaining this because I have not seen any such gear in Mor Dhona at the Poetics vendor.

you get these on idylshire

[NorthernLadMSP]

I have another question for you guys. My weaver is level 70 and my weaver desynth is around 222. I can reasonably desynth the Hailstorm Gloves of Casting/Healing (level 60, i230). However, I tried to desynth the Serge Apron (level 66, i230) and I can't. It is desynthesizable but my chance is 0. Why is this, considering the battle gloves are the same ilevel?

[dracklor]

Have you tried desynthing Bloodhempen battle class gear (level 60 to craft)? Crafter gear scales differently than battle gear, so they may have altered desynth on it.

[Nyalia]

I have another question for you guys. My weaver is level 70 and my weaver desynth is around 222. I can reasonably desynth the Hailstorm Gloves of Casting/Healing (level 60, i230). However, I tried to desynth the Serge Apron (level 66, i230) and I can't. It is desynthesizable but my chance is 0. Why is this, considering the battle gloves are the same ilevel?

It's because an item's ilvl is not the same as the level used for desynthing. I call the hidden level used for desynthing the "rlvl" (recipe level) of the item. Your issue is that crafting gear has a distinctly lower ilvl than its rlvl. To find out its rlvl, check the level of the recipe used to craft it. If it's level 66 to craft it (I'm too lazy to look it up), that would translate to r279. Your desynth is more than 50 levels below that level, so your chance is 0%. You'd need to have a dSkill of 230 to have a positive chance to desynth.

For reference, here's a chart showing the corresponding rlvls for craftable items based on their crafter level (I'm not certain of the 70* or 70** levels - I'll have to add those later):

• Craft level 61* - r255
• Craft level 61* - r260
• Craft level 62 - r265
• Craft level 63 - r270
• Craft level 64 - r273
• Craft level 65 - r276
• Craft level 66 - r279
• Craft level 67 - r282
• Craft level 68 - r285
• Craft level 69 - r288
• Craft level 70 - r290

* Level 61 items can be either r255 or r260. To tell which, check the Difficulty of the recipe of the item. If it's ~1100, then it's r255. If it's ~1400, then it's r260.

[Syrinath]

Do unique(blue) items give more desynth exp than whites? I seem to be getting more from ironworks items for armorer (i120) then i133 titanium armor. While the ironworks is easier to desynth.
Ill do some logging: (beginning from memory)

dskill prob. item gain
~109 ~67 ironworks gaunt. of fend. 2.37
~111 ~45 hq titanium mask of strik. 0.91
bacon used,
~112 ~74 ironworks magitek shield 2.05
~114 ~76 ironwork sabaton 1.72
116.44 55.25 titanium kite shield 1.09
117.53 56.95 titanium kite shield 1.32
118.85 85.85 mythrite scutum (i115) 0.94
119.79 87.55 ironworks magitek shield 1.61 ironworks giving more exp at higher success rate?
121.4 92.65 ironworks magitek shield 1.14
122.54 100 mythrite tassets of fending 0.59 i115 is decaying in exp gain
123.13 100 mythrite tassets of fending 0.59
123.72 99.45 ironworks magitek shield 0.90 ironworks still giving more exp
124.62 79.05 titanium plate belt of fending 0.59 easier than kiteshield, so less exp
125.21 70.55 titanium kite shield 0.93 it finally gives more exp than ironworks, although ironworks is already decaying
126.14 72.25 titanium kite shield 0.79
126.93 82.45 titanium plate belt of fending 0.69
127.62 84.15 titanium plate belt of fending 0.87
128.49 85.85 titanium plate belt of fending 0.94
129.43 87.55 titanium plate belt of fending 0.80

Comments on what it looks like to me:

Hmm... there was that brief section where the titanium shield was giving >1 exp, and looking at my earlier entries, mythrite had that as well.
To me it looks like exp is increasing up until a certain number of levels before the item (peaks above 1), where it starts decreasing to below 1, and then levels out for a bit.
Mythrite had exp >1 and up to 1.37 at about 101.89 dlevel. It then decreased a bit from the peak.
Titanium had exp >1 at 1.32 at 117.53 dlevel
The ilevel difference is 18 which is basically the dlevel gap, so it seems to be a set number of levels lower where it peaks.

And as long as ironworks was less than ~100% success rate, and so did not have much decrease in exp given, it provided better exp for a given success rate.
This data only shows ironworks starting at 2.37 exp, and decreasing from there, but the previous set showed noct with an increase up to 2.95 and a decrease from there.

[Nyalia]

i205 PVP gear, and then switch to the i230 gear you can now get with Poetics in Idyllshire. After you do the i230 for awhile, you can switch to the i260 which is also sold for Poetics in Idyllshire.

When you are ready to switch to r260 stuff, you can also start on craftable whites bought from vendors or the MB that require level 61 to equip. Those are either r255 or r260, generally (some might be r265). Since they were given out as quest rewards, they might still be super cheap on the MB. There are vendors that sell them though, in either Kugane or the Reach. It depends on whether you want to spend money or poetics.

Do unique(blue) items give more desynth exp than whites?

That's an interesting question. We'd have to compare r260 crafted gear (the level 61 crafted gear with a difficulty of 1400) with Shire gear to get a good comparison. Unfortunately, when you gain ~1 dSkill per desynth, and with exp being so volatile it's hard to compare! I'd say someone (probably me) should alternate between Shire and the r260 whites and see if there's a clear difference in exp gained.

To me it looks like exp is increasing up until a certain number of levels before the item (peaks above 1), where it starts decreasing to below 1, and then levels out for a bit.

Hmm. I desynthed an item so far below me, I only had a 20% chance to desynth it, and I got 0.74 exp from it. Just before that, I desynthed an item in the same class that had a 100% success rate and earned over 1.0 experience. Even accounting for the high variability of desynth exp, that implies that doing high risk desynths just aren't worth it. I think you're right that either blues give more exp than whites, or the exp "ramps up" and then down after a certain peak.

[Amenako]

so i have my weaving around the 200 i dunno what to use to level it up. any suggestion from anyone here?

[Cannylite978]

so i have my weaving around the 200 i dunno what to use to level it up. any suggestion from anyone here?

If thavnavian silk and arum Regis nuggets are cheap on your server then I suggest anything thavnavian armlets (not sure if that's the name) and then desynthing them. If that isn't workable then do collectibles and get the red scrip crafting gear in idyllshire and desynth those. Once you get to weaver 210 start on expeditioners gear. Use tinkers position and bacon broth to help.

[NorthernLadMSP]

so i have my weaving around the 200 i dunno what to use to level it up. any suggestion from anyone here?

i205 PVP gear, and then switch to the i230 gear you can now get with Poetics in Idyllshire. After you do the i230 for awhile, you can switch to the i260 which is also sold for Poetics in Idyllshire.

[Nyalia]

So, looking at that HW->SB gap, desynths at 10 dSkill above the rlvl gives about 0.60 exp (for GSM). Success rate is 80% at dSkill = rlvl, going up about 3.2% per dSkill above the rlvl and hitting 100% at 7 dSkill above the rlvl (99.2% at 6 above). dSkill gains start dropping off at that point, but I don't have enough data yet to say how fast. There are items at that point every 25 rlvls (180 -> 205 -> 230 -> 255). Chance at 15 dSkill below the rlvl should be 56% (35*1.6). Chance at 10 dSkill below the rlvl should be 64% (40*1.6). I don't have enough data for the exp gains at these points though.

The best point to switch to the next tier of gear in that gap appears to be between 10 and 15 dSkill above the rlvl. I'm leaning toward 15, but I could easily be wrong. Of course, this also depends on how you play FFXIV - if you do tons of PvP, obviously it's better to stick with the 205 pvp gear longer before switching to the 230 poetics gear. If you don't much care for PvP, you'd want to switch sooner. Also, prices differ on PvP gear based on the item type, while all poetics gear is the same price (I think? I could be wrong there, can't check right now). So:

Generic recommendations for all classes:

• dSkill 165 - 195 = i180 PvP gear
• dSkill 190 - 220 = i205 PvP gear
• dSkill 215 - 245 = i230 Poetics gear
• dSkill 240 - 270 = r255 crafted gear (which can be bought from vendors/MB)

Does that sound wrong to anyone? My suggestions may be biased/informed by the fact that I'm leveling the classes that have the cheapest item types in the game (LTW - belts, GSM - accessories). Other classes have more expensive wolf mark options, but theoretically gain exp faster with the 4.0 changes to desynth. ARM seems to have a nice boost over LTW/GSM, for instance, from what others have posted. I don't know about the really hard ones to level (CRP/ALC).

Oh, and as a total sidenote, because Zelkova logs are used to make Zelkova lumber for SBing by people going for VI craft materia, people are practically giving the lumber away on Faerie. Varnish is cheap to make too (MB prices on Faerie at least are crazy for it, but it takes like no time at all to gather the mats personally). This makes Zelkova Rings amazing for CRP desynth from dSkill ~275 through ~310. You can craft the rings for like, under 1,000 gil each, and that keeps slowly dropping. It's insane, especially if CRP has a large exp bonus for having a smaller selection of desynthable items.