Desynthesis Endgame Guide

[Nyalia]

Just as a general note as I'm working on updating the OP - Looking into desynthable items in the gap between ~170 and ~240, I'm basically finding that there are only the two obvious options for non-CUL desynth. For ~170 to ~200, PvP i180 gear. For ~190 to ~220, PvP i205 gear. For ~220 to ~240, Poetics i230 gear. Then you can do the i255 stuff from SB, and use vendor/MB bought gear from there until you hit the SB endgame and have only dungeon drops to finish your way to the cap. There really aren't many/any other options, unless you are spamming HW dungeons for gear, which is extremely unreliable.

I still need more datapoints to get the new formula up, but it seems they extended the bonus desynth chance again, resulting in r230 gear having a success change of 80% at dSkill 230. That really helps with the gap. Also, you can desynth items that have an 80-100% chance and still get 0.7-1.0 dSkill with that gear, if you're in the right dSkill range. So, at least you get a level up almost every time you desynth, which helps close the gap.

More later.

[Cannylite978]

We'll see what they do with desynth, but at the moment I think the best reason to level desynth is in anticipation of future additions. After all, weren't FC/MC IIIs added in HW? We may see another addition in SB, even if desynth overall plays a smaller role than it used to. I know CUL can desynth some fish for combat VIs, which I guess is probably worth it to some people, though I haven't seen anything exciting in the few pieces of 300 gear I've desynthed with GSM.[/QUOTE]

Fieldcraft/Battlecraft Demimaterua III's and Mastercraft Demimaterua were introduced in the last few patches of ARR way before HW was released. Just an FYI

[Syrinath]

Here's some desynth data around where I am.

d-level, item, success %, gain
103.66 choker of divine death (i80) 100 0.16
103.82 hero's earrings of slaying (i90) 100 0.74
104.56 noct earrings (i110) 79.2 1.5
106.06 weathered daystar ring (i100) 100 1.12
107.18 weathered daystar ring (i100) 100 0.99
109.02 agate ring of healing 74.8 0.67

and some with bacon food:

just bacon used for the following:
d-level, item, success %, gain
80.01 noct plate belt i110 40.5 1.91
83.18 noct hoplon 45.9 1.64
84.82 noct gauntlet 47.7 2.95
87.77 noct greave 53.1 2.89
90.66 daystar solloret 58.5 2.84
93.5 noct lorica 63.9 2.21
95.71 mythrite alembic 38.25 1.6
97.31 mythrite tasset of fending 58.65 0.88
98.19 mythrite tasset of fending 60.35 1.13
99,32 mythrite tasset of fending 62.05 1.25
100.57 mythrite tasset of fending 63.75 1.32
101.89 mythrite tasset of fending 65.45 1.37
103.26 mythrite tasset of fending 68.85 0.89
104.15 mythrite tasset of fending 70.55 0.81
104.96 mythrite tasset of fending 70.55 0.9
105.86 mythrite tasset of fending 72.25 1.2
107.06 mythrite tasset of fending 75.65 0.73
107.79 mythrite tasset of fending 75.65 0.77
108.56 mythrite tasset of fending 77.35 0.83

Sorry for the formatting.

[Nyalia]

Here's some desynth data around where I am.

Thanks for the data! This is exactly what I'm looking for.

I think it's interesting just how much experience you were getting with ARM, though you were doing desynths with significantly lower chance of success than you did with GSM. I'll have to try harder desynths to compare my classes (LTW/GSM/BSM), but if anyone has exp data for CRP/ALC (the two that I expect to have the biggest exp bonuses), it would really help!

[Rohirrim]

Can you add a rough estimation of how many items will need for each leveling section? Not an exact number of course, but a rough estimation.. the reason is that i have all crafts leveled and want to craft many of these to save lot of gil but cannot craft one by one

Thanks in advance

[Nyalia]

Can you add a rough estimation of how many items will need for each leveling section? Not an exact number of course, but a rough estimation.. the reason is that i have all crafts leveled and want to craft many of these to save lot of gil but cannot craft one by one

Thanks in advance

For that, I'd need more exp data. Do you have any to share? It also appears to change depending on the desynth class, with what used to be the harder to level ones giving more exp per successful desynth than the easy to level classes.

[Rohirrim]

For that, I'd need more exp data. Do you have any to share? It also appears to change depending on the desynth class, with what used to be the harder to level ones giving more exp per successful desynth than the easy to level classes.

Ok I see :P Btw, at 180 Desynth skill, what do you recommend to buy with my wolf marks (got plenty while leveling). There are 180 and 205 ilvl items if I remember... is it better to buy the 205 ones and use Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm or buy the 180?

[Nyalia]

Ok I see :P Btw, at 180 Desynth skill, what do you recommend to buy with my wolf marks (got plenty while leveling). There are 180 and 205 ilvl items if I remember... is it better to buy the 205 ones and use Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm or buy the 180?

What class are you using? I don't have the formula down, but 25 points below is likely to have a relatively low chance. I'd give it about a 40-50% chance (55-65 with HQ Tinker's Bacon). However, if Syrinath's exp gains can be a model, you could get 2-3 desynth levels from a single successful desynth that far down. Alternatively, if you're using the r180 items, your success chance should be about 80%, and it would give you 0.5-1.0 desynth levels per successful desynth. Looking at it as a 50% chance at 2 levels for a 80% chance at 1 level, I would think that the r205 stuff would be suprerior by that metric. But, if you factor in the costs of the items, the 180 stuff should be cheaper than the 205 stuff, about 33% cheaper (for LTW or GSM, 500 wolf marks instead of 750 wolf marks). That would make the 180 stuff give ~1.2 levels per 1,000 wolf marks, and the 205 stuff give ~1.3 levels per 1,000 wolf marks, with both being very rough estimates.

tl;dr - I don't think it really matters which you use at this point, they both give about the same. But, if you plan to use Tinker's Bacon, and/or meld a couple materia, and/or like taking risks, I'd say go with the i205 stuff. If you don't like taking risks (or using buffs), go with the i180 stuff. When I get the formulas down better, the math will be better, but that's what I have for now.

At dSkill 190, I'd say definitely switch to the i205 stuff. I haven't done out the math, but the exp should start dropping off steeply for the i180 items from dSkill 190-200, and your success rates on the i205 stuff will hit ~60% around there without buffs.

If you try this and find my math is way off, please let me know!

[Shadygrove]

Ok I see :P Btw, at 180 Desynth skill, what do you recommend to buy with my wolf marks (got plenty while leveling). There are 180 and 205 ilvl items if I remember... is it better to buy the 205 ones and use Bacon Broth and Tinker's Calm or buy the 180?

205. Much better. Going to blow stuff up, but get BIG skillups too.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I have to ask. I've seen several people mention Poetics i230 gear. Where are you obtaining this because I have not seen any such gear in Mor Dhona at the Poetics vendor.