Radars in Frontlines and Hunts - Any word from SE?

[Double]

Interesting to read that people are even using the Radar app inside frontlines.

This game is truly ran by the players at this point. Yoshi-P wants to leave such a large grey area with the use of third-party apps and all this "fight club" bullshit; his very own game is now being handed off the very people he so desperately wanted to please.

SE saying absolutely nothing on this regard is disheartening and I understand that they can't "DO SOMETHING!" right now but being extremely quiet on the case isn't giving an ounce of assurance.

Guess I'll do the pathetic marks for like 5 seals and get my Wind-up Succubus sometime next year.

F***........

[Nekodar]

Interesting to read that people are even using the Radar app inside frontlines.

This game is truly ran by the players at this point. Yoshi-P wants to leave such a large grey area with the use of third-party apps and all this "fight club" bullshit; his very own game is now being handed off the very people he so desperately wanted to please.

SE saying absolutely nothing on this regard is disheartening and I understand that they can't "DO SOMETHING!" right now but being extremely quiet on the case isn't giving an ounce of assurance.

Guess I'll do the pathetic marks for like 5 seals and get my Wind-up Succubus sometime next year.

F***........

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

[Kallera]

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

I think people want results they can see, not vague posts saying they have done some bannings here and there, while seeing the same guy they reported continue to cheat with impunity.

A game company can ban for anything. But its a different result when they ban and show how their banning is having a lasting(and not temporary) effect.

[Felessan]

As far as I can see, the apps work by recieving info from the server itself and translating them to the players.

Normally it just read a memory of a client, so they are undetectable from server side. And even warden-type (i.e. spybot) are not perfect as it need to know what to catch - this was shown by a number of bots for WoW.

Remove the need for the apps (like built in DPS parsers) and you wont have these problems anymore.

No, thanks.
They already told us why we will not see DPS parsers in actual content and I tend to agree. I don't want see constant bickering about how someone lags 20 dps behind optimum and likes. Currently, even if you use DPS meter, you can't use this information to accuse anyone, you need additional in-game proof of performance, that currently only possible for outlier results, not just some underperformance.

[Felessan]

I think people want results they can see, not vague posts saying they have done some bannings here and there, while seeing the same guy they reported continue to cheat with impunity.

First of all it should be first be confirmed that person actually *cheats* and not usual "I think he is a cheater because he is more successful".
Over last week i heard so much lame accusations, for every little bit of "why they suck at hunt" people tends to blame apps and cheaters. And its really sad as there is only a small part of hunting that is improved by cheating, and the rest is just those people inability, on which they should really work, and not just push blame somewhere else.

[Souljacker]

, and the rest is just those people inability, on which they should really work, and not just push blame somewhere else.

What the heck are you talking about? There are two issues here.

1. Players are using radars to find the monster. They begin moving toward it and once they are there maybe they will shout coordinates to everyone else. Maybe.
2. Once *someone* - completely arbitrary - feels *enough* time has elapsed, that person pulls, mob is dead in less than 10 seconds and you are lucky to get a hit in if you are there, if you aren't oh well.

Neither of these situations imply that someone who is frustrated by hunts is just terribad and should uninstall. They are issues that SE *needs* to address and not ignore.

[Kallera]

First of all it should be first be confirmed that person actually *cheats* and not usual "I think he is a cheater because he is more successful".
Over last week i heard so much lame accusations, for every little bit of "why they suck at hunt" people tends to blame apps and cheaters. And its really sad as there is only a small part of hunting that is improved by cheating, and the rest is just those people inability, on which they should really work, and not just push blame somewhere else.

And I saw Gilselling advertisements still being sent through tell, and I'm sure gathering bots are still a thing. my point is that the player that reports doesn't see their efforts having an effect, or any conclusive results as far as what they reported.

People making accusations in shout are just venting, even if the accused was guilty the only way things get rolling is with a report.

So how do they know they are actually making a difference in reporting or not? Or to descern who is legit or not? Should it not be our business? If it isn't our business, then why report at all?

[Felessan]

1. Players are using radars to find the monster. They begin moving toward it and once they are there maybe they will shout coordinates to everyone else. Maybe.
2. Once *someone* - completely arbitrary - feels *enough* time has elapsed, that person pulls, mob is dead in less than 10 seconds and you are lucky to get a hit in if you are there, if you aren't oh well.

Good party usually finds no more than 10-20% of the marks it participate in. And this has nothing to do with radar. Moreover, there are some tricks that allow to successful get info about spawn even without using connections or radar - just monitor crystals for trains.
And there is *enough* time, it's usually when majority of this "hunt train" already in position and those who are not - are lazy or missed announcement. Normal people wait for others, but they will not wait 10 minutes until you will return from afk and run on your foot straight from the city.
Your is a typical complaint about how it not works your way, so you prefer not to fix your attitude, but rather accuse everyone else with cheating.

And I saw Gilselling advertisements still being sent through tell, and I'm sure gathering bots are still a thing. my point is that the player that reports doesn't see their efforts having an effect, or any conclusive results as far as what they reported.

Gathering bots were busted en masse. There are probably still some of them there, but prices on botted resources skyrocketed, which means that there are much less activity than before.

[Double]

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

The time where the backroom was off-limits are long gone.

A game i'm paying for is being tainted and broken by its very own community.

The game was segregated enough, do we honestly need people defending the act of cheaters and the like?

Honestly, if you had dignity of any sort.. You would feel somewhat uncomfortable that people are cheating in a game you pay for.

Whether or not it affects you.

[Nekodar]

The time where the backroom was off-limits are long gone.

A game i'm paying for is being tainted and broken by its very own community.

The game was segregated enough, do we honestly need people defending the act of cheaters and the like?

Honestly, if you had dignity of any sort.. You would feel somewhat uncomfortable that people are cheating in a game you pay for.

Whether or not it affects you.

I'm not in any way defending cheaters and I hate that there are people in game that does it.
But I certainly don't need to know the details of what SE does about the problem, when such details help the cheaters more than it would help me in any way.

Seeing reports that accounts have been banned is enough for me to see that SE is doing something.