Radars in Frontlines and Hunts - Any word from SE?

[KisaiTenshi]

Trust me as a old hardened MMO player people are often less than discreet when they use these tools. Sure they aren't shouting it to the heavens but /tells and FC and LS chat will often betray many cheaters.

Yeah, I can think of several instances in other games where players would screenshot a conversation from a guild or party chat, and the player would suddenly disappear, and the next thing you know "XYXYX just skyped me to say his account got banned " This is usually because someone in the chat was part of the stealth anti-cheating group (people who have a direct line to GM's.) Make cheating inconvenient, and people will be less willing to go through the effort of doing it.

[Valthein]

I'd like to recommend upping health of the higher class hunts to that of raid boss level health, and the lesser class to dungeon boss level. people botting would die radar people would be more willing to shout out coordinates and everyone would be able to build up there level because of the longer battle cycle. just too easy to kill these things with the gear people have access too even fresh 50's.

[Mortechai]

I have actually I've even written a few myself for work. Section 7 covers "monitoring use of the game" but without expressly stipulating visual data collection or process collection they can't do it.

In comparison. Section 15 of Blizzard's ToS:

Actually "You acknowledge that Square Enix will be monitoring your use of the Game to help you play the Game, for our internal analysis to help us improve our games and services, to investigate disruptive activities or Prohibited Activities, and to confirm that you are abiding by the terms of this User Agreement and related agreements." says they can do it.

[therpgfanatic]

I want to reiterate what we announced recently, as our policy regarding third party tools remains unchanged.



We take all reports seriously and we appreciate your cooperation in reporting any issues that you discover.

That isn't a solution guys. People continue to use parsers and spam the hell out of players to sell gold because you can only punish after the fact, not block the apps from working.

Remove the need for the apps (like built in DPS parsers) and you wont have these problems anymore.

[Zumi]

The offical SE endorsed add on dev kit keeps getting delayed. Yoshi P said people will be able to make their own addons for the game 6 months after the game has been out but now its been almost 12 months.

[zoom]

Radar is a thing. But people using teleport hack + radar without hidding themselves and proudly mentionning it in the chat + global repeated report from people of linkshell in the server and more that a week later, the same few people still do it.

I can understand that it may be tough to counter radar app, but I mean teleport hack... It is more than a urgent issue, if people are not caught proactively, at least they should be when there is a massive report on them... Something must be done quickly, and there should be some server side detection for people teleporting themself.... It's been there since the launch, first it was for gathering bot and FATE spamming, now it come back for hunts.

[Double]

Interesting to read that people are even using the Radar app inside frontlines.

This game is truly ran by the players at this point. Yoshi-P wants to leave such a large grey area with the use of third-party apps and all this "fight club" bullshit; his very own game is now being handed off the very people he so desperately wanted to please.

SE saying absolutely nothing on this regard is disheartening and I understand that they can't "DO SOMETHING!" right now but being extremely quiet on the case isn't giving an ounce of assurance.

Guess I'll do the pathetic marks for like 5 seals and get my Wind-up Succubus sometime next year.

F***........

[Nekodar]

Interesting to read that people are even using the Radar app inside frontlines.

This game is truly ran by the players at this point. Yoshi-P wants to leave such a large grey area with the use of third-party apps and all this "fight club" bullshit; his very own game is now being handed off the very people he so desperately wanted to please.

SE saying absolutely nothing on this regard is disheartening and I understand that they can't "DO SOMETHING!" right now but being extremely quiet on the case isn't giving an ounce of assurance.

Guess I'll do the pathetic marks for like 5 seals and get my Wind-up Succubus sometime next year.

F***........

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

[Kallera]

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

I think people want results they can see, not vague posts saying they have done some bannings here and there, while seeing the same guy they reported continue to cheat with impunity.

A game company can ban for anything. But its a different result when they ban and show how their banning is having a lasting(and not temporary) effect.

[Felessan]

As far as I can see, the apps work by recieving info from the server itself and translating them to the players.

Normally it just read a memory of a client, so they are undetectable from server side. And even warden-type (i.e. spybot) are not perfect as it need to know what to catch - this was shown by a number of bots for WoW.

Remove the need for the apps (like built in DPS parsers) and you wont have these problems anymore.

No, thanks.
They already told us why we will not see DPS parsers in actual content and I tend to agree. I don't want see constant bickering about how someone lags 20 dps behind optimum and likes. Currently, even if you use DPS meter, you can't use this information to accuse anyone, you need additional in-game proof of performance, that currently only possible for outlier results, not just some underperformance.