Radars in Frontlines and Hunts - Any word from SE?

[Zumi]

The offical SE endorsed add on dev kit keeps getting delayed. Yoshi P said people will be able to make their own addons for the game 6 months after the game has been out but now its been almost 12 months.

[zoom]

Radar is a thing. But people using teleport hack + radar without hidding themselves and proudly mentionning it in the chat + global repeated report from people of linkshell in the server and more that a week later, the same few people still do it.

I can understand that it may be tough to counter radar app, but I mean teleport hack... It is more than a urgent issue, if people are not caught proactively, at least they should be when there is a massive report on them... Something must be done quickly, and there should be some server side detection for people teleporting themself.... It's been there since the launch, first it was for gathering bot and FATE spamming, now it come back for hunts.

[Double]

Interesting to read that people are even using the Radar app inside frontlines.

This game is truly ran by the players at this point. Yoshi-P wants to leave such a large grey area with the use of third-party apps and all this "fight club" bullshit; his very own game is now being handed off the very people he so desperately wanted to please.

SE saying absolutely nothing on this regard is disheartening and I understand that they can't "DO SOMETHING!" right now but being extremely quiet on the case isn't giving an ounce of assurance.

Guess I'll do the pathetic marks for like 5 seals and get my Wind-up Succubus sometime next year.

F***........

[Nekodar]

Interesting to read that people are even using the Radar app inside frontlines.

This game is truly ran by the players at this point. Yoshi-P wants to leave such a large grey area with the use of third-party apps and all this "fight club" bullshit; his very own game is now being handed off the very people he so desperately wanted to please.

SE saying absolutely nothing on this regard is disheartening and I understand that they can't "DO SOMETHING!" right now but being extremely quiet on the case isn't giving an ounce of assurance.

Guess I'll do the pathetic marks for like 5 seals and get my Wind-up Succubus sometime next year.

F***........

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

[Kallera]

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

I think people want results they can see, not vague posts saying they have done some bannings here and there, while seeing the same guy they reported continue to cheat with impunity.

A game company can ban for anything. But its a different result when they ban and show how their banning is having a lasting(and not temporary) effect.

[Felessan]

As far as I can see, the apps work by recieving info from the server itself and translating them to the players.

Normally it just read a memory of a client, so they are undetectable from server side. And even warden-type (i.e. spybot) are not perfect as it need to know what to catch - this was shown by a number of bots for WoW.

Remove the need for the apps (like built in DPS parsers) and you wont have these problems anymore.

No, thanks.
They already told us why we will not see DPS parsers in actual content and I tend to agree. I don't want see constant bickering about how someone lags 20 dps behind optimum and likes. Currently, even if you use DPS meter, you can't use this information to accuse anyone, you need additional in-game proof of performance, that currently only possible for outlier results, not just some underperformance.

[Felessan]

I think people want results they can see, not vague posts saying they have done some bannings here and there, while seeing the same guy they reported continue to cheat with impunity.

First of all it should be first be confirmed that person actually *cheats* and not usual "I think he is a cheater because he is more successful".
Over last week i heard so much lame accusations, for every little bit of "why they suck at hunt" people tends to blame apps and cheaters. And its really sad as there is only a small part of hunting that is improved by cheating, and the rest is just those people inability, on which they should really work, and not just push blame somewhere else.

[Double]

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

The time where the backroom was off-limits are long gone.

A game i'm paying for is being tainted and broken by its very own community.

The game was segregated enough, do we honestly need people defending the act of cheaters and the like?

Honestly, if you had dignity of any sort.. You would feel somewhat uncomfortable that people are cheating in a game you pay for.

Whether or not it affects you.

[Nekodar]

The time where the backroom was off-limits are long gone.

A game i'm paying for is being tainted and broken by its very own community.

The game was segregated enough, do we honestly need people defending the act of cheaters and the like?

Honestly, if you had dignity of any sort.. You would feel somewhat uncomfortable that people are cheating in a game you pay for.

Whether or not it affects you.

I'm not in any way defending cheaters and I hate that there are people in game that does it.
But I certainly don't need to know the details of what SE does about the problem, when such details help the cheaters more than it would help me in any way.

Seeing reports that accounts have been banned is enough for me to see that SE is doing something.

[Hybris-Maenad]

How is at least two community rep posts about it being forbidden, as well as one post about people being banned, being quiet?
Or is it that you want them to list exactly what they're doing, so that the cheaters can find new ways to escape detection?

Because so far, their only reply to my question as to whether they are going to take any kind of action to stop this has been to repeat that the activity is against tos.

We know this is against the tos, what most of us would like to know is if they will take action in any way or if this is going to be relegated to the "fight club" parsing/turn a blind eye as long as it isn't mentioned in-game. This content is currently broken for PS3/PS4 players. Not entirely so much that they can't partake in it, but certainly at a tremendous handicap to the PC competition that are using these exploits.