Radars in Frontlines and Hunts - Any word from SE?

[Malzian]

It sounds pretty one sided for a tradeoff. Wouldn't it eventually cause people to shun players of other consoles if the development of PC only add one and plugins takes off?

It's never been a fair trade off, sadly. It's part of the reason so many MMOs have stayed away from the combo PC/Console endeavors. As far as shunning... Possible, but that again boils down to community. If I'm just as comfortable and efficient playing on my console without plugins as you are on PC, then what should it matter? I personally advocate plugins for UI tweaks (mostly visual) and informatics like DPS tracking, which are nice to track and plan better with but don't directly make me a better player. It still boils down to my play skill, no matter how many extra shiny tools I have at my disposal.

[Tsuwu]

Just as an FYI.
I've upgraded the processor, Ram, PSU, and GPU in my 2009 iMac. These dolt perceptions that you can't upgrade a Mac are false. Just because it's not lolplugnplay doesn't mean its impossible. Also, runs this game on Maximum at 65 fps, no issues at all.

[Malzian]

Just as an FYI.
I've upgraded the processor, Ram, PSU, and GPU in my 2009 iMac. These dolt perceptions that you can't upgrade a Mac are false. Just because it's not lolplugnplay doesn't mean its impossible. Also, runs this game on Maximum at 65 fps, no issues at all.

Yes, there are some Macs out there that are upgradable. The vast majority, however, are not and are such by design. Or at the very least they make it as difficult as possible.

[Tsuwu]

Yes, there are some Macs out there that are upgradable. The vast majority, however, are not and are such by design. Or at the very least they make it as difficult as possible.

Not arguing that at all! While the mac pros (2004-2012) are easily upgraded with most off the shelf parts, upgrading an iMac requires custom parts and nearly complete dissasembly.
I'm a minimalist, though, so having a beautiful all in one that could run everything and not be a sci-fi eyesore in my living area was important.
Plus, now I can run windows on a Core i7 880, Radeon HD 6970, etc, and with two kepresses, I'm back on my Apple-centric editing environment.

But yeah. Whole other conversation, there.

[Valmar]

What SE needs to do is Add Hunt Radar into the game, create a "Hunter" skill, and the higher you raise it, the better you are at tracking Monsters.

The only true way to combat 3rd party APP users.

SE likes its "Fight Club" rules. but when Fight Club pisses off this many people, its time for a change SE.

[Jynx]

Square Enix needs to start cracking down on people using this exploit. I'm sure there are plenty enough instances of people openly admiting they use such a program to make a example and show that they are actually being vigilant on this front.

As of now a silent "Please don't use them.....pretty please, we might have to do something....so please stop...I don't want to actually act" fancy pants dance isn't going to stop people. It's always such a shame there are always a small group of people who just have to screw with a game to screw with it.

[Mardel]

I'm sure there are plenty enough instances of people openly admiting they use such a program to make a example and show that they are actually being vigilant on this front.

1. At least on my server no one really admits they use it. People only accuse people of using it.\
2. Can't detect reading from memory unless they install something that breeches privacy on your pc.
3. Even if the radar wasn't available the widespread popularity of hunts would not stop people from finding something when it spawns. (TODs are a powerful tool)

[Nekodar]

3. Even if the radar wasn't available the widespread popularity of hunts would not stop people from finding something when it spawns. (TODs are a powerful tool)

TODs and massive amounts of people that search the area is what actually seems to have taken over for the most part. (at least on midgar)
"only reading memory" radars don't help much without the TOD information, and with the amount of people that search for the marks, I'm starting to doubt that those radars actually provide much of an advantage to the people that use them.

[Mardel]

TODs and massive amounts of people that search the area is what actually seems to have taken over for the most part. (at least on midgar)
"only reading memory" radars don't help much without the TOD information, and with the amount of people that search for the marks, I'm starting to doubt that those radars actually provide much of an advantage to the people that use them.

Ya after reading into what radar does and how it functions, it has a limited scan range. Most people have a misconception that if you have the tool, walk into the zone, you'll see exactly where it is on the map. This means, giving the player base a legit radar won't really change anything because the radar doesn't really give the advantage people believes it gives. However, what works well is having 2 capped LS of people actively hunting and sharing info. Somehow magically seems to get you positions of hunt targets. Who would have guessed?

[Jynx]

1. At least on my server no one really admits they use it. People only accuse people of using it.

Trust me as a old hardened MMO player people are often less than discreet when they use these tools. Sure they aren't shouting it to the heavens but /tells and FC and LS chat will often betray many cheaters.

Square Enix is good at hunting these people just because some apps can't be seen in active use doesn't mean they don't know how to investigate the cases. They just need to man up and start doing something about it right now they are dealing with it far to light handed. Something should be done and soon so they don't lose the respect of players that abstain from such practices, if they let it run rampant they send a message that it's ok to do.

Yoshida saying things like "We wont deny people will use these just don't talk about them!" doesn't help them.