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    Lots of the time you aren't even using Light Shot on cool down due to popping other abilities (Second Wind, Invigorate, or whatnot)

    Multishot and Trifucate benefit a lot more from higher ATK bows too.
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    Don Elreed
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    Verdant bow is better than crab bow+3 and ul'dhan bow, just for one reason, best accuracy and the delay is 3.5sec while crab bow is 4sec and ul'dhan is 4.2, in the long run the verdant will outdamage both (a lot less miss and hits faster)

    Not all is brute damage in my op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elreed View Post
    Verdant bow is better than crab bow+3 and ul'dhan bow, just for one reason, best accuracy and the delay is 3.5sec while crab bow is 4sec and ul'dhan is 4.2, in the long run the verdant will outdamage both (a lot less miss and hits faster)

    Not all is brute damage in my op.
    Quote Originally Posted by me
    The damage is based on the delay.
    Your attack value is in fact a damage over time value, not a raw damage output.
    Otherwise my Gladiator would be a DPS God with 2,4s Delay and 160+ attack weapons.

    BTT:
    Crab Bow +3 > Crab Bow +2 > Uldah/Verdant > Crab Bow +1

    Or you think that 20 HP is more important than 15acc
    A Crab Bow +2 has the same att but much lower acc than the Uldahn Longbow
    A Crab Bow +2 has the same acc but much lower att than the Verdant Bow

    A Crab Bow +2 is always batter than both.

    All Rank 50 NM weapons are on a "rank 50 +0.5-1" level with few extra stats.
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    Last edited by Jabo; 08-09-2011 at 08:33 AM.

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    Crab bow looks s*** imo, so I'll use one of the others..
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    Crab+2 is slightly better than the Uldah bow. I have both and tested them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krausus View Post
    if its not a significant difference, I personally would wait and see what SE adds in the future.
    I like his thought process and have been following that since day one. Crafters hate me i knoq i sell you my goods and collect all your gil a horrible human errr taru

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    I use crab+2 over the uldah over the verdant

    i have all 3. even though verdant is faster it does way less damage.. sure it attacks faster but with all the buffs inbetween the slightly longer delay works better for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanos View Post
    I use crab+2 over the uldah over the verdant

    i have all 3. even though verdant is faster it does way less damage.. sure it attacks faster but with all the buffs inbetween the slightly longer delay works better for me
    yah, I am not always hitting lightshot as soon as its up due to a bunch of other factors, so the delay doesn't really matter much IMO.
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    the usually sequence

    light shot -> nock arrow -> ferocity -> heavy shot -> nock arrow -> raging strike -> hawk eye -> light shot (fully nocked)

    repeat

    if trifucate is up blah blah u get the point
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    As someone who has tested the ul dah and crab +3/2/1 the order is:

    crab+3>crab+2>ul dah > verdant > crab+1

    The hard math pretty much sums it up:
    Crab bow +3
    Att: 146 (127-base)
    Acc: 190 (165-base)
    Critical: 135 (117-base)

    Crab bow +2
    Att: 140 (127-base)
    Acc: 182 (165-base)
    Critical: 129 (117-base)

    Ul'dahn Longbow
    Att: 141
    Acc: 166
    Critical: 128

    Verdant Bow
    Att:128
    Acc: 182
    Crit: 121
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