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    Wobi's Avatar
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    I imagine it's going to be more of an FFXI problem when they raised it from 75 to 99. Even the jump to 85 invalidated basically all gear that had ever existed during 75 cap save for a few, they also let others be augmented. This means a new player will join and level to 60/75 or whatever they make the new cap at and have better gear from leveling dungeons than people who had a full set of High Allagan.

    They will eventually settle on a long term cap but prepare to see butt-hurt people if/when the cap is raised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobi View Post
    I imagine it's going to be more of an FFXI problem when they raised it from 75 to 99. Even the jump to 85 invalidated basically all gear that had ever existed during 75 cap save for a few, they also let others be augmented. This means a new player will join and level to 60/75 or whatever they make the new cap at and have better gear from leveling dungeons than people who had a full set of High Allagan.

    They will eventually settle on a long term cap but prepare to see butt-hurt people if/when the cap is raised.
    Seriously.. never played FFXI.. I am not looking forward to it.

    Bhurt? Perhaps not. Displeased but still going, for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss View Post
    Seriously.. never played FFXI.. I am not looking forward to it.

    Bhurt? Perhaps not. Displeased but still going, for sure.
    Thing is - Yoshi already stated he took the stance of major progression = old content and gear become obsolete or severely gimped. Meaning what happened in XI, which by the way was 75 cap for most of its life already happens in XIV regularly. The only difference is Myth gear (launch i90 gear) was never obsoleted because it's such a standard set of gear they honestly can't obsolete it while myth tomes is our main currency.

    With XI it was more of a problem that the change from 75 - 99 was too quick, but necessary because the content they wanted to develop for XI level 75 characters couldn't handle it, even fully merited and decked out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    Thing is - Yoshi already stated he took the stance of major progression = old content and gear become obsolete or severely gimped. Meaning what happened in XI, which by the way was 75 cap for most of its life already happens in XIV regularly. The only difference is Myth gear (launch i90 gear) was never obsoleted because it's such a standard set of gear they honestly can't obsolete it while myth tomes is our main currency.

    With XI it was more of a problem that the change from 75 - 99 was too quick, but necessary because the content they wanted to develop for XI level 75 characters couldn't handle it, even fully merited and decked out.
    Thanks, good points Tupsi.

    I still feel Yoshi (SE) is pushing things too quickly - the pace at which this game is going after less than a year.. from lvl 50 (real) to imaginary (110)

    I never played WoW (hated the graphics), or FFXI, I can't relate.

    I am used to old MMOs and Korean ones where Grind was your day, getting one level was an achievement in itself. Then next one was so much of a gap..

    That gave plenty of time for DEVs to create, test, and insert properly new content.

    Some things being improvised and rushed, do not always give the best outputs (Hunts)

    Now it feels like: you play for 2 weeks, doing Main Story: Capped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    In effect, the lower level and lower ilevel content is obsoleted by higher level and higher ilevel content/rewards.
    Toally agree. It's just too fast for my taste. Don't worry, I'm following the train nevertheless, else you'll be on the last wagon.

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    I understand there is lots of generations playing in here (not to say I am THAT OLD ^^) but the instant gratification, getting high rewards from little input, kills the enjoyment for some.

    Casual and Old School - not sure if this game is really getting into the same groove.

    *I wonder if all the 'blue bar resting bonus in towns' will apply in a lump sum when the lvl cap will be raised lol

    Now - Where's the Ixali Beast Tribes!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobi View Post
    This means a new player will join and level to 60/75 or whatever they make the new cap at and have better gear from leveling dungeons than people who had a full set of High Allagan.

    They will eventually settle on a long term cap but prepare to see butt-hurt people if/when the cap is raised.
    Annnnd FFXIV players will have to get used to it. New expansion = obsoleted gear in every single major mmo except XI, and it's the reason XI stagnated. Congratulations on spending time to get all that high Allagan gear - now get the newest gear through the newest raid in the newest storyline.

    I agree we'll see some butt hurt, but it shouldn't be to the degree we saw in XI. I also don't see any settling of a long-term cap happening here - it's not possible with the way gearing works. We can't do sidegrades and macro things in like we did in XI (which admittedly wasn't something the developers had foreseen, but it worked out well for them). The only way to go is up unless there do a MAJOR retool of the entire armory and class system.
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