Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[Elven]

I have not heard a good reason why someone who doesn't do the most difficult content in the game deserves the same items as someone who does engage in the most difficult content. The "options" excuse is only viable if you create content that is on equal difficulty level of Coils. Teleporting and hitting NM's is not hard, grinding is not hard. Time consumption is not a valid excuse either. I personally don't mind if sands/oils drop elsewhere, but the value of them and 110 gear in general has dropped very low and Hunts was the worst thing to put them in the way it is now. There should of been more restrictions on obtaining these items. Why do people believe they should be able to max out their character without touching the raids? I just can't figure out this backwards logic.

How about they pay the same subs? And if you want them to continue paying you give other upgrade options.

[Velhart]

How about they pay the same subs? And if you want them to continue paying you give other upgrade options.

Same content is offered to everyone in that subscription fee. Only thing stopping you from doing raid content is you.

[Elven]

Same content is offered to everyone in that subscription fee. Only thing stopping you from doing raid content is you.

So what exactly is the problem? If they can get the gear some other way.

[Eissels]

So what exactly is the problem? If they can get the gear some other way.

"Blah blah blah casuals, blah blah blah epeen, blah blah blah special snowflake."

He's just one of those raiders who only raids to feel better than other people. Ignore him.

[Taruranto]

"Blah blah blah casuals, blah blah blah epeen, blah blah blah special snowflake."

He's just one of those raiders who only raids to feel better than other people. Ignore him.

And you sounds like one of those entitled casuals that wants all the loot with no effort.

[Velhart]

So what exactly is the problem? If they can get the gear some other way.

Highest difficulty should yield highest rewards. Getting the same ilvl gear in easier content at a much more rapid rate is basically hand holding and spoiling people. At least High Allagan weapons are still a thing, before SE decides that everyone should have one before 2.4 hits.

[SirSaber]

They should have not added sands of time to the Hunt.
Unidentified Allagan Tomestone <--- this would have been enough to boost up the Hunt.

Sands were the only thing imho they shouldn't have added.
Also daily marks are a joke, 7seals a day? LoL

[Elven]

Highest difficulty should yield highest rewards. Getting the same ilvl gear in easier content at a much more rapid rate is basically hand holding and spoiling people. At least High Allagan weapons are still a thing, before SE decides that everyone should have one before 2.4 hits.

I couldn't care a less what gear anybody else has got nor do I care what they are doing. But don't get me wrong when I am in a party/raid/alliance I will perform my job to the best of my ability and all I ask is the same in return. It's probably been said before in here already but gear doesn't make the player, skill does. At the end of the day no FC/Static group raids outside their clique.

[Velhart]

I couldn't care a less what gear anybody else has got nor do I care what they are doing. But don't get me wrong when I am in a party/raid/alliance I will perform my job to the best of my ability and all I ask is the same in return. It's probably been said before in here already but gear doesn't make the player, skill does. At the end of the day no FC/Static group raids outside their clique.

The discussion isn't really about what the person next to you is wearing. It is the argument of design choices by SE in acquiring top level gear. It is an understatement that patches like 2.1 and 2.3 loosen things up a bit and offer more convenience, but the question is, when does it go too far? On our side of the debate, we believe Hunts rewarding Sands/Oils of Time is giving too much. Places like CT is fine where you are lotting against others and you are locked out for a week on it. Limitations and borders have to be set up to create balance in progression. The way Hunts are set up now, the said borders for the most part do not exist. Don't bring the topic to "shouldn't care what someone else is wearing", this is all about general problems in game design.

[Rydia13]

I love people that say anything in this game is a true challenge. Yes, there is an INITIAL challenge with content, but seriously for you coil spammers, how hard could it possibly be if it's being beaten with relative ease week after week by static groups.

The only challenges in this game are battles you haven't programmed into your brain yet. Oh and dealing with wipes in ST. I can't even.... -.-

In a weird way, hunts aren't that drastically different from regular raid content in that if it weren't for voice chat, it'd be a complete disaster and extremely challenging to ever get anything.