Why is doing things as fast as possible bad?

[Eissels]

I really don't get the stigma - and it's not just here, it's in the official game as well.

Now, don't get me wrong, I tend to take things slowly. I'm not the best player nor the fastest, so when I do a dungeon, I like to go as a medium pace, one pack at a time, to make sure nothing goes wrong.

But people seem to have some personal vendetta against things like speed runs, or escort leve spamming, or 'saccing' in coil turn 1. Like, I can understand not liking people being dicks about it, but that never seems to be the problem; it's like wanting to get things done as quickly and efficiently as possible is worthy of contempt from the playerbase at large.

And this is the only MMO in which I've seen this mentality. The end goal of the dungeon is to finish it, no? It has nothing to do with people wanting things handed to them, and everything with wanting to cut down the time of the grind as much as possible.

I just don't get it. Were Speedruns part of some long-time-gone event that ruined the servers, or something? .-.

[Lyrinn]

Hate towards speedruns is actually a product of speedrunners hating on everyone who doesn't speed run. Recent example is Brayflox, tanks who were not used to speedrunning or didn't want to would get harassed for not doing large pulls, inexperienced healers would get harassed for not keeping the tank alive during huge pulls, DPS would get harassed for not doing enough damage, etc.

If everyone got along from the start, I'm sure there would be no problems with speedrunning.

[Kayo]

Hate towards speedruns is actually a product of speedrunners hating on everyone who doesn't speed run. Recent example is Brayflox, tanks who were not used to speedrunning or didn't want to would get harassed for not doing large pulls, inexperienced healers would get harassed for not keeping the tank alive during huge pulls, DPS would get harassed for not doing enough damage, etc.

If everyone got along from the start, I'm sure there would be no problems with speedrunning.

This. Speedrunners started it ... and continue to be the biggest asshats in the game. Content is there to be done, not be skipped. If you want to speedrun, go for it, its definitely not against the games rules. However take it upon yourself to find like-minded players, not force some random player to sacrifice his enjoyment because you cant spare 5-10 minutes on a damned video game.

[Risvertasashi]

This. Speedrunners started it ... and continue to be the biggest asshats in the game. Content is there to be done, not be skipped. If you want to speedrun, go for it, its definitely not against the games rules. However take it upon yourself to find like-minded players, not force some random player to sacrifice his enjoyment because you cant spare 5-10 minutes on a damned video game.

Hate towards speedruns is actually a product of speedrunners hating on everyone who doesn't speed run. Recent example is Brayflox, tanks who were not used to speedrunning or didn't want to would get harassed for not doing large pulls, inexperienced healers would get harassed for not keeping the tank alive during huge pulls, DPS would get harassed for not doing enough damage, etc.

If everyone got along from the start, I'm sure there would be no problems with speedrunning.

These two nailed it. SRs definitely aren't bad but aren't for everyone. But you get a lot of harassment*/vote kick abuse from speed runners if you're not comfortable with it/good at it. And twelve help you if you want to watch cutscenes your first time through a story dungeon.

* Not light criticism either. Like cussing out and stuff. I even saw one guy tell a female character (no idea what gender the player was) she should quit because girl gamers can't do anything right, only with much less politeness.

[Codek]

There is nothing wrong with completing tasks as fast as possible.

There is something wrong when players (that are randomly placed together) begin forcing each other to play a specific way.

[Staris]

There is nothing wrong with completing tasks as fast as possible.

There is something wrong when players (that are randomly placed together) begin forcing each other to play a specific way.

Exactly, being forced to pull slow is wrong.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Exactly, being forced to pull slow is wrong.

It's not wrong. Sometimes your party members (or you) are not equipped to do speed runs. Not everyone is i90.

[KaiKatzchen]

Exactly, being forced to pull slow is wrong.

It's not wrong, it's playing to the strengths and weaknesses of your party.

If the party is not geared and someone forces speed run that could equal: Deaths, arguments, people quitting, having to wait for reps or leaving nad have a 30 min timers on said person who leaves etc... in short, wasted time and a longer run.

Where if the person sees (or listens to the group who doesn't want to speed run it) that it's maybe not the best idea and went in smaller but steady pulls there wouldn't be an issue and would get the dungeon done faster than the above option.

[Codek]

It's not wrong, it's playing to the strengths and weaknesses of your party.

If the party is not geared and someone forces speed run that could equal: Deaths, arguments, people quitting, having to wait for reps or leaving nad have a 30 min timers on said person who leaves etc... in short, wasted time and a longer run.

Where if the person sees (or listens to the group who doesn't want to speed run it) that it's maybe not the best idea and went in smaller but steady pulls there wouldn't be an issue and would get the dungeon done faster than the above option.

I don't know, in a technical way it is wrong. But ya, the moment the group fails (for what ever reason), the tank (or who ever pulled additional groups) loses all rights to complain and is fully to blame for failing to safely manage mobs for the group. After all, it was their decision to grab more so they must live with the consequences.

An apology would usually be the correct response in those cases rather then the more common approach of the blame game...

[Tupsi]

It depends honestly - usually there's a lot of negativity thrown around at people who want to take things slowly. Then on the flipside, you'll exhaust all the game's content long before the next patch if you blow through everything as quick as possible, which isn't necessarily the player's fault.