Physick vs Adloquium

[Vid]

I get what you're saying but healers don't work on rotation.
We do what we need to dependent on situation.

The reason I was throwing so much at him at the one time was purely because he needed it. It took everything I had just to keep him standing for the time he did before we wiped.

Sorry, "rotation" was a poor word choice, I should have just said your choice of spells to use at that particular time. My point still stands though, Stoneskin typically will shield for less then your Adlo's on a main tank in the middle of a fight. Although I can understand trying your best to keep the tank alive by any means possible. My group is currently on Turn 9 (2nd coil), and that damn boss hits like a truck, shaving off anywhere from 50-75% health in a split second off our main tank. We've gotten up to phase 3 so far, but healing was definitely a learning curve for myself (whm) and my scholar partner.

[FoxyAreku]

I'm not max, but it seems obvious to me that you use adl if the shield isn't currently active, but if it is active you should use physick, because galvanize won't do anything if they already have a shield.

[Mjytresz]

Lustrate more!!

Normally this is a valid remark.
However, I've found efficiency in saving Lustrate for "oh shit" moments. When the difference between life and death comes down to spamming Lustrate as often as possible, someone's doing something wrong.
Adloq is really great when the tank overpulls and needs a bit of a buffer so you can overheal. Let's say it's one of those Brayflox runs where a squishy tank pulls ALL the Gliders. His HP is hovering around the ~30% mark and you're spamming Physick as often as possible. Adloq can give you the time to take that ~30% hover point to ~50% and maybe toss in a Shadow Flare in your free time.

Adloq, in general, is used for shielding between pulls and adding a buffer in overpulls. Or when you need to do something else besides heal, or if you have another target to heal. IE Adloq tank and heal/raise a DPS.

[Ashkendor]

I always thought I was a good SCH till a run in Hullbreaker Isle today had me getting lectured from a tank with a bad attitude about how his main is a healer and I'm doing it wrong :/
I can brush off his snide comments easily enough, but if I'm able to improve, I'll take on board any real advice you guys wanna give me.

He had over-pulled some mobs, Whispering Dawn was active and I had SS down, Eye for an eye, stoneskin and protect on him, and was spamming Psysick with the occasional Adloquium thrown in to stop damage for a sec whilst I reapplied stoneskin etc...
He still died, hence his bad attitude and lecture.

He says I should only have been spamming Adloquium when it's a big mob and not use Physick.

There's a point at which the tank has to shoulder at least some of the blame for overpulling instead of screaming at the healer for not being able to keep him alive through a huge pack of mobs eating his face. Seriously, you're all in the dungeon for the same reason so there's no point in being nasty. Get back up, dust yourself off, and redo the pull with a few less mobs. All you lose is a little bit of time. No big.

The EX dungeons in particular carry a very real risk of overpulling as the mobs hit fairly hard.

[Sen_Terrechant]

I was mocking you. WARs do not take more damage inherently. Even comparing a bad WAR to a bad PLD. It has been repeatedly stated that Shield Oath and Defiance are about equal in terms of eHP.

Except they do take more damage inherently.

PLD has shield oath. That alone means it takes less damage inherently.

WAR has more HP and heals work better on it.

So yeah, they do take more damage :3

[Manuka]

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Not really, Shield Oath and Defiance are set up so that the eHP are functionally the same. If you had two equally geared War/Pal stand and get beat on they would both die roughly at the same time. The only difference is that Pal's are slightly more efficient on the healing part of the equation (Seravi round both physick values to 14% however there is a .6% difference relative to max HP in favour of Pal). The only time War takes more damage inherently is when you start factoring mitigation CD's which Pal has in spades over War who makes up for it with their self-healing, which in retrospect tends to be the bane of War's in SR's. A bad Pal can simply mash their CD's and still be effectively healed with ease but a bad War who doesn't chain their CD's to make the most of the self-healing is gonna drop faster than a healer can realistically heal in a GCD, adlo-chain or not.

[WhiteTerror]

Can confirm. You should be spamming Adlo on big pulls and definitely not stoneskinning.

[Jican]

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I'm going to nip this in the butt. The warriors have more HP because they get more damage not because of their inherent lack of defense, but because Pld take less damage % because of their SHIELD. Shield's, when they block, mitigate a certain damage percentage, as well as it's own defense to add to the max D. Defiance and Shield Oath have their perks, but don't forget the basics.

[Kelya]

Paladin takes damage from 6 enemies.
7000 - (500 * 0.8) *6 = 7000 - 2400 = 4600/7000 HP remaining (65.7%)

Warrior takes damage from 6 enemies.
8750 - 500*6 = 5750/8750 HP remaining (65.7%)

Physick gives 14% max HP back to the paladin, 14% max HP back to the Warrior.

Thanks for your mathematical post, I totally agree with this, WAR and PLD are different, but it's all about proportionality so they remain equal.

Nevertheless, we always see a BIG DIFFERENCE on BIG ATTACKS between WAR and PLD.

On Death Sentence - T5, for instance, it appears clearly that the WAR takes more damages than the PLD (each with his buff, each with Aldo + SS or whatever you want).

The fact is, for the healers, it's more painful to full up a WAR that may sometimes go on 20% HP after a sentence, rather than a PLD who almost never go under 60% HP after a sentence. At this point, we need more heal to cast on the war that we would have needed on the PLD.

And it's not only on Death Sentence, similars facts happen on Leviathan EX, Mountain buster (you clearly see the difference, even if you heal 20% more on the WAR).
It's not about good/bad WAR too, I use to play with an excellent WAR and he's the first to admit this huge difference on big big damages incoming.

Generally, when I heal a WAR I'll still need more Cure to full him than if I would have healed a PLD. But maybe it's just me and I'm completly wrong.
Anyway, I can't tell if it's just a feeling or reality, but if this feeling is shared by a lot of healers, then maybe the proportionality between PLD and WAR isn't very correct.

[Vittorino]

I always thought I was a good SCH till a run in Hullbreaker Isle today had me getting lectured from a tank with a bad attitude about how his main is a healer and I'm doing it wrong :/
I can brush off his snide comments easily enough, but if I'm able to improve, I'll take on board any real advice you guys wanna give me.

He had over-pulled some mobs, Whispering Dawn was active and I had SS down, Eye for an eye, stoneskin and protect on him, and was spamming Psysick with the occasional Adloquium thrown in to stop damage for a sec whilst I reapplied stoneskin etc...
He still died, hence his bad attitude and lecture.

He says I should only have been spamming Adloquium when it's a big mob and not use Physick.

Thoughts?
All advice welcome

Ya, my thoughts is he's a bad tank who can't cycle his cd's you did fine with your current set-up don't let neanderthals dictate how to heal.