SE, Stop promoting AFK gameplay.

[Gallus]

/sitting for the next 30 hours in 27 fates waiting for them to pop from you 9 animus books is NOT fun.
Running around in circles/afking with an app radar is NOT fun.

Why do you insist on making the players NOT play this game in order to acquire SIGNIFICANT stuff?

There are over 15 level 50 dungeons, all of them with arguably fun mechanics, 5 primals, mog, frontlines... but the arguably most valuable stuff you can obtain in this game is via killing level 5 sprites for the next 100 hours (aka atma grind) and afking in a 8 man party with an app radar?

The next relic upgrade gonna be dance the manderville 100 hours in each area?

[HulveinBlitz]

Actually.. with frontlines, hunts, etc.

Myth is here in abundance. I've seen people with the alexandrite to complete Novus, but no gil for materia (lol).

Also, like you said, there is other things to do. You do not need to sit there for hours, on hours. Thats an optional choice. Yeah, its tedious. But really, its not AFK gameplay.

[Gallus]

And what do you get from playing frontlines? PVP exp...for what? PVP marks...for what? To buy useless PVP gear that doesn't work in frontlines? Because if you think you are going to do anything useful with it in the wolves den you are delusional, unless you want to spend 30 minutes waiting for each queue. 4v4 is absolutely dead. So yeah, do as much frontlines as you want, but its rewards do not net you highest tier items. As for myth, I never complained about it, doing dungeons/primals/ raids is playing the game, completing books is arguably playing the game, doing low level dungeons is arguably playing the game. Killing level 5 toads for the next 100 hours with a 2 skill rotation is NOT playing the game. /Sitting in coerthas shouting LFG NAUL while you watch some series is NOT playing the game. And this comes from someone who has a Novus and an Animus, but it keeps killing me how highest tier rewards outside the hardest content ALWAYS have to do with AFK PLAYING.

[Hocchi]

You're not forced to stay there and wait, you chose to stay there and wait.
Your problem.

[Yahavage]

If it's not fun.... don't do it?

I got up to my third.. maybe 4th book on my atma weapon, haven't bothered with it any more as I also find camping FATEs tedious. I'm not doing hunts while the entie server is still p*ssing in their pants over every other pop.

Still got plenty to do though :/

[Ihm]

The next relic upgrade gonna be dance the manderville 100 hours in each area?

I've already done about 500 hours of it so I'm on a roll!

[Cuervo78]

I have to agree with Gallus, the relic quest is just mindless grind with fates that pop every few hours.
If I do some of the other cool stuff (primal/coil/etc) I have a good chance that i miss them, so the options i have is to finish the ugrade somtime next year or walk to the site of an fate and pick up a good book.

[silentwindfr]

i did finish my sphairai.... and i admit i have not the willpower to do the novus or redo any animu/atma... is not fun and you spend more time at grind like a bot than really play.

[Felis]

i did finish my sphairai.... and i admit i have not the willpower to do the novus or redo any animu/atma... is not fun and you spend more time at grind like a bot than really play.

No FATE needed in the Novus part. Doing FATE for Novus is 100% optional.

[Kienkarajo]

I agree I had to wait for at least 8-9 hours for the fate Taken in southern Thanalan and It was not fun, was not able to do something else for fear that I would miss the fate also I failed a fate on east shroud and had to wait 3 hours to try again, dungeons are fine I like them so thats why the books were not that bad but after that and the atma quest I dont want to do fates anymore NEVER AGAIN SE.