Forcing the Loot Timer Down: Is This Harassment?

[KaiKatzchen]

The way I look at it, is it really shouldn't have to be up to the tank to ask the healer if the healer needs tank gear. It should be up to the healer to speak up and say something. You may get some nice person who will pass on said gear, and you may not.

I used that scenario because in this instance 3 of the 4 knew one another. They probably know one another's main and secondary jobs, and know what pieces each other needs without really discussing it. The healer really is the odd man out going into an unknown situation. I agree, that the healer can ask as well but it would have also been polite for one of the three friends to speak up.

I do many runs where it's 3/4 of us are FC members and we usually always tell the 4th person, 'We are all from the same FC and friends, so speak up if ya have any questions or need something~!'

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

But once again that is assuming that the healer was in a position to do that. We don't know what time the run was, it could have been early morning and no one was really on so the healer had to run solo. Or maybe they were getting ready for work and were just doing a run real fast before leaving. It could be they don't have an FC, I see many people in Mor Dhona decked out without an FC, because it's not everyone's thing. I even had a friend where he came back and the FC had decided (granted it was a small FC) to call it quits and he no longer had an FC. There are so many 'but what if it's this situation' that there is no way that anyone in a DF can know.

Which is why, as you agreed:

But, overall, I agree communication is the key.

A simple "If someone needs something in this dungeon or needs help, speak up!" would fix a lot of issues. If people are too lazy to type it, macro it. We could sit here going back and for all day about what if's, but it's all assumptions. Just cut the assumptions out and take 5 seconds to be polite and bam, no more assumptions. If people don't speak up about needing something that's their issue, but at least it was asked.

[Fynlar]

actually, ignore this post; me dumb

[DragonFlyy]

A simple change would be to set it so that if someone has rolled NEED on an item and no one else can legitimately claim the item (ie, they can only roll Greed), make the item instantly drop. Having the wait timer when no amount of lotting will change the outcome is plain stupid anyway.

The only reason to not have it check the other types of rolls would be, adding more code can cause a potential bug. More than likely, when they made the lot timer, it never occurred to them that someone might be an asshat and sit there waiting for someone to DC. Nor should they think that. Every other game that I have played with a lot timer like this behaves exactly the same. If someone needs and no one else can need, it still waits out the timer. Personally I think the time is a little long, but then again DCs don't really happen to me.

[Skivvy]

It was for glamour, so you should have rolled greed on it. You don't NEED to glamour stuff, you WANT to glamour stuff. I hate when people who clearly don't need gear roll need on it anyway.

I hate this argument so much. No one really needs dungeon drops either, they merely want them. Decent endgame gear can be crafted. Or spend some tomes.

Glamour is huge to a lot of people, and there are plenty of people who are spamming the crap out of dungeons to get the pieces they want.

Bottom line is, if you want to 'need' an item, come as the job.

[KiriA500]

You know what I hate? I hate it when entitled people come in as a certain role, let's just say a healer, expecting everyone else to bow to them so they can get all the tank gear they want. If you want your tank gear, tank the dungeon. It's as simple as that.

I do too! Run content as the class you expect gear for.

I hate this argument so much. No one really needs dungeon drops either, they merely want them. Decent endgame gear can be crafted. Or spend some tomes.

Glamour is huge to a lot of people, and there are plenty of people who are spamming the crap out of dungeons to get the pieces they want.

Bottom line is, if you want to 'need' an item, come as the job.

Well, if you really want to pull that card, nobody really needs anything in this game. The concept of Need before Greed is simply that, Need before Greed. If I'm a Black Mage with an i70 Body piece, and an i80 Body piece drops, I clearly need that to better my character. If I'm a Black Mage with an i100 Body piece, and an i80 Body piece drops, I'm being greedy in simply wanting the piece for the sake of aesthetics.

[Gaddes]

I had two different instances where a party member purposely waited out the clock on something they could only Greed on... thankfully my internet doesn't cut out often and I patiently waited to Need on my items and leave them with nothing.

[SendohJin]

Of course it's different
1. I will use it to look pretty
2.i will use it to get stronger

BIGG DIFFERENCE

not i80 gear. if you want your tank to get stronger, use your healer to farm myths and buy an i90 body piece. nobody who can farm myths Needs an i80 piece to use.

get some gil and buy an i90 crafted tank piece.

anything less than i90 is glamour and vanity only.

[Corfish]

Need whatever the hell you want. If they wanted it so bad they should have went as a Tank. The Need/Greed system exists for a reason. There is nothing wrong for gearing for glamour.

[Skivvy]

Well, if you really want to pull that card, nobody really needs anything in this game. The concept of Need before Greed is simply that, Need before Greed. If I'm a Black Mage with an i70 Body piece, and an i80 Body piece drops, I clearly need that to better my character. If I'm a Black Mage with an i100 Body piece, and an i80 Body piece drops, I'm being greedy in simply wanting the piece for the sake of aesthetics.

Yes, I would agree that no one really needs anyone one specific piece of gear in this game. One item will not make or break your gear set. But back to my point, sure, an item may be an upgrade for you, but you could simply have a comparable item crafted, or purchased with tomes. So my point still stands. You don't NEED that specific dungeon drop, you just really want it.

To really push this ridiculous situation further, one could argue that by wearing an i70 piece of armor, you're being lazy by not obtaining that crafted/tome item that will most likely be available to you well before RNG favors you with a drop of your liking. But hey, who am I to judge.

[Sonofbaldo]

You lost me when you said you Need rolled it for glamor. After that, hey...perhaps he wanted it for glamor as well and that was his best tactic to get it. Cant say I blame him.