Forcing the Loot Timer Down: Is This Harassment?

[NorthernLadMSP]

The way I look at it, is it really shouldn't have to be up to the tank to ask the healer if the healer needs tank gear. It should be up to the healer to speak up and say something. You may get some nice person who will pass on said gear, and you may not.

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

But, overall, I agree communication is the key.

[Eekiki]

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

If, like the OP is saying, the tank just wants the drop for glamour, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

[NorthernLadMSP]

If, like the OP is saying, the tank just wants the drop for glamour, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

Yeah, that is true as well. It's a no win situation. Either side has a case. However, I still stick by my thought that if you really want a particular piece that is role specific, go as that role or go with friends that willl let you win that item.

I was recently looking for the boots of Divine Death to complete the caster set. However, I was healing. I did both DF random queues and FC/friend runs. Never once, did I EXPECT these boots to be automatically given to me as a healer. I simply asked, and if the other party members didn't mind passing, great. If the caster in that DF group wanted them (for stats OR glamour), then no big deal, they can roll need on them. There's always next time.

[KaiKatzchen]

The way I look at it, is it really shouldn't have to be up to the tank to ask the healer if the healer needs tank gear. It should be up to the healer to speak up and say something. You may get some nice person who will pass on said gear, and you may not.

I used that scenario because in this instance 3 of the 4 knew one another. They probably know one another's main and secondary jobs, and know what pieces each other needs without really discussing it. The healer really is the odd man out going into an unknown situation. I agree, that the healer can ask as well but it would have also been polite for one of the three friends to speak up.

I do many runs where it's 3/4 of us are FC members and we usually always tell the 4th person, 'We are all from the same FC and friends, so speak up if ya have any questions or need something~!'

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

But once again that is assuming that the healer was in a position to do that. We don't know what time the run was, it could have been early morning and no one was really on so the healer had to run solo. Or maybe they were getting ready for work and were just doing a run real fast before leaving. It could be they don't have an FC, I see many people in Mor Dhona decked out without an FC, because it's not everyone's thing. I even had a friend where he came back and the FC had decided (granted it was a small FC) to call it quits and he no longer had an FC. There are so many 'but what if it's this situation' that there is no way that anyone in a DF can know.

Which is why, as you agreed:

But, overall, I agree communication is the key.

A simple "If someone needs something in this dungeon or needs help, speak up!" would fix a lot of issues. If people are too lazy to type it, macro it. We could sit here going back and for all day about what if's, but it's all assumptions. Just cut the assumptions out and take 5 seconds to be polite and bam, no more assumptions. If people don't speak up about needing something that's their issue, but at least it was asked.