Forcing the Loot Timer Down: Is This Harassment?

[MythToken]

I was in that party, and yes I rolled cause he started smoking. Because it made me want to smoke, and I didn't have time to wait him out.

[Felis]

Maybe SE should bring back the old 1.0 loot system for the duration of 1 patch to show the people how good the current one is.
A random party member get the loot in his loot bag. He decide then himself if he want to keep it and put it into his inventory or if he want to put it in the inventory of someone else in the party. No Roll involved.

[Grizzlebeard]

Maybe SE should bring back the old 1.0 loot system for the duration of 1 patch to show the people how oo the current one is.
A random party member get the loot in his loot bag. He decide then himself if he want to keep it and put it into his inventory or if he want to put it in the inventory of someone in the party. No Roll involved.

Yeah, that sounds like a fantastic system!

No chance of abuse at all...

[Lumidus]

He wants to waste his time? I would have said
"k getting a snack" I usually walk around a bit after a dungeon away

[Ryuukishi]

Kind of a jerk move, but it's not against the rules. The game gives you 3 minutes to decide on your roll (or whatever it actually is) and if he wanted to use all 3 minuets that time, that's his prerogative. Glad it worked out for you in the end.

Frankly I think it's a valid albeit annoying "strategy" if you really want an item. LOL. Trying to get impatient people to waive their right to roll.

[KaiKatzchen]

Sounds like there were annoyances on both sides of the coin, so looks like it balances out. I would say the fact that the Healer waited around while you DC'ed/Spirit bonded balances out the fact they made you wait 3 min at the end. Was it a jerk move? Yes, if they wanted the gear they should have asked. You could have easily left the dungeon and let it drop to them if it was an upgrade for them. But your DC's probably made them wait as long, if not longer so I'd let it go.



Personally, while it does not seem to be the popular opinion to most players. I feel it is always polite to ask (if there are pick ups) if there is anything in particular they are looking for. We will use this scenario as an example:

If the tank has simply asked at the start if there was anything the healer was looking for specifically (seeing they were the odd man out 3 to 1), they could have spoken up or not. If they had said they were looking for tanking gear if it was okay with them, then the tank could say they could go for it, or tell the healer they needed it and sorry. Either way, it would have been clear at the start what was going on and would clear up any misunderstandings.

Now I know some will use the reasoning of "Well if they want it they should have gone in on the job!" But we have to remember endgame content all has different iLevels, and it could be very possible that someones secondary job does not have the proper iLevel to enter said instances and they are picking up gear to raise it as they get the chance or people are kind enough to let them roll on it. We can't assume one way or another, but someones need should trump someones greed/glamour in my opinion.

In the end, having a bit of common courtesy and simply asking really quick could go a long way towards stopping a lot of misunderstandings within DF before they even start. But it seems that many like rushing though content, snapping at people for watching CS's, or rage quitting because they didn't get what they want, more so than working together for a common goal.

[NorthernLadMSP]

The way I look at it, is it really shouldn't have to be up to the tank to ask the healer if the healer needs tank gear. It should be up to the healer to speak up and say something. You may get some nice person who will pass on said gear, and you may not.

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

But, overall, I agree communication is the key.

[Eekiki]

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

If, like the OP is saying, the tank just wants the drop for glamour, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

[NorthernLadMSP]

If, like the OP is saying, the tank just wants the drop for glamour, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

Yeah, that is true as well. It's a no win situation. Either side has a case. However, I still stick by my thought that if you really want a particular piece that is role specific, go as that role or go with friends that willl let you win that item.

I was recently looking for the boots of Divine Death to complete the caster set. However, I was healing. I did both DF random queues and FC/friend runs. Never once, did I EXPECT these boots to be automatically given to me as a healer. I simply asked, and if the other party members didn't mind passing, great. If the caster in that DF group wanted them (for stats OR glamour), then no big deal, they can roll need on them. There's always next time.

[KaiKatzchen]

The way I look at it, is it really shouldn't have to be up to the tank to ask the healer if the healer needs tank gear. It should be up to the healer to speak up and say something. You may get some nice person who will pass on said gear, and you may not.

I used that scenario because in this instance 3 of the 4 knew one another. They probably know one another's main and secondary jobs, and know what pieces each other needs without really discussing it. The healer really is the odd man out going into an unknown situation. I agree, that the healer can ask as well but it would have also been polite for one of the three friends to speak up.

I do many runs where it's 3/4 of us are FC members and we usually always tell the 4th person, 'We are all from the same FC and friends, so speak up if ya have any questions or need something~!'

If, like you're saying, the healer's alt tank isn't high enough to tank the dungeon, why not go in with friends or FC members rather than relying on random people in the DF to cater to you?

But once again that is assuming that the healer was in a position to do that. We don't know what time the run was, it could have been early morning and no one was really on so the healer had to run solo. Or maybe they were getting ready for work and were just doing a run real fast before leaving. It could be they don't have an FC, I see many people in Mor Dhona decked out without an FC, because it's not everyone's thing. I even had a friend where he came back and the FC had decided (granted it was a small FC) to call it quits and he no longer had an FC. There are so many 'but what if it's this situation' that there is no way that anyone in a DF can know.

Which is why, as you agreed:

But, overall, I agree communication is the key.

A simple "If someone needs something in this dungeon or needs help, speak up!" would fix a lot of issues. If people are too lazy to type it, macro it. We could sit here going back and for all day about what if's, but it's all assumptions. Just cut the assumptions out and take 5 seconds to be polite and bam, no more assumptions. If people don't speak up about needing something that's their issue, but at least it was asked.