Forcing the Loot Timer Down: Is This Harassment?

[SendohJin]

Of course it's different
1. I will use it to look pretty
2.i will use it to get stronger

BIGG DIFFERENCE

not i80 gear. if you want your tank to get stronger, use your healer to farm myths and buy an i90 body piece. nobody who can farm myths Needs an i80 piece to use.

get some gil and buy an i90 crafted tank piece.

anything less than i90 is glamour and vanity only.

[Ddmk]

not i80 gear. if you want your tank to get stronger, use your healer to farm myths and buy an i90 body piece. nobody who can farm myths Needs an i80 piece to use.

get some gil and buy an i90 crafted tank piece.

anything less than i90 is glamour and vanity only.

Actually your wrong I've seen multiple people myth farming in i55/i70 so even though temporary i80 is still a upgrade weather it's for main or alt

[Kerowyn]

Clownshoes!

You know some people are new to game and don't have Alt Jobs or are VERY casual and only play enough to run a dungeon or 2 every few days. Not everyone can sit on their butts everyday for hours at t time to farm all the myth super fast and get that i90 Gear. So that i80 Piece would work just fine for them.

As far as people needing items for Desynth/Seals or Vanity, if you really want that piece for Vanity yourself or because its an upgrade for an alt Job, THEN PLAY THE DAMNED JOB THAT NEEDS IT and roll need.

With all the new stuff in game ( Desyth for example ) needing on that i80 piece for leveling Desyth is just a valid reason to need as someone wanting to greed for an alt Job.

[Delsus]

Needing it for an alt is no different than needing it for glamour. If you don't actually need it for the class you are playing, it's a free for all.

It's very different, you need gear for stats, you want gear for glamour, there is no such thing as needing aesthetics, will you get turned away from runs for not looking pretty? Is there a vanity level requirement for content? No but there is an item level requirement for content based on stats, therefore you need stats, you want glamour.

Should I go to content barely scraping the Ilvl requirement, barely pulling my weight and being a liability, or should I go on a job that I will make a huge difference to the party? The only problem here is the healer was being selfless, possibly sacrificing loot to contribute to the party more.

[Grizzlebeard]

My stance on Need rolls is if it's an upgrade to current gear you can Need, if it's for Glamour or AH purposes then you should Greed and allow the other players in the party a chance at it. While I don't personally condone the actions of the healer in this instance I feel it's a pretty selfish stunt abusing your class bonus on lotting for fluff items.

[MythToken]

You should have let him have it, for having to suffer through your terrible connection.

[Buff_Archer]

This solution worked out well in ST the other day when there were two extra drops (minion and some green throne gem thing) not part of weekly loot lockout, and it became clear there was at least one person out there who was trying to stall other ppl into giving up and leaving.
Others: "Roll already!" - Nothing
Me: "Ok I guess this part where someone doesn't roll thinking ppl give up. I'm going out for a cig." /sit - bam items all get rolled on.
(Tip you don't actually have to smoke in real life for this strategy to work)

[Pantz]

This solution worked out well in ST the other day when there were two extra drops (minion and some green throne gem thing) not part of weekly loot lockout, and it became clear there was at least one person out there who was trying to stall other ppl into giving up and leaving.
Others: "Roll already!" - Nothing
Me: "Ok I guess this part where someone doesn't roll thinking ppl give up. I'm going out for a cig." /sit - bam items all get rolled on.
(Tip you don't actually have to smoke in real life for this strategy to work)

I highly doubt that person finally rolled because you threatened to start smoking...

[Buff_Archer]

I highly doubt that person finally rolled because you threatened to start smoking...

Obviously not. It's because they were at least intelligent enough to understand I was going to go do something else other than staring at my screen waiting on them to roll and I could easily wait out the timer as long as they could.

[Rhomagus]

This solution worked out well in ST the other day when there were two extra drops (minion and some green throne gem thing) not part of weekly loot lockout, and it became clear there was at least one person out there who was trying to stall other ppl into giving up and leaving.
Others: "Roll already!" - Nothing
Me: "Ok I guess this part where someone doesn't roll thinking ppl give up. I'm going out for a cig." /sit - bam items all get rolled on.
(Tip you don't actually have to smoke in real life for this strategy to work)

This is the best way to approach this in my opinion. Chances are they don't want to wait either so call them on their bluff and more than likely they'll get frustrated and leave. If they do decide to go, okay, it's five minutes. You should probably take a break anyways. Stretch, go take a shower, make some tea, or anything else that might catch your fancy. More than likely though everyone else is in as much of a "rush" as you are so just do what Buff suggests.

The Duty Finder isn't for your speed, spiritbond, or farming runs. The Duty Finder is made to find people who want to complete the objectives set before them, that's it. If you want to speed run it, hope that everyone else wants to as well. If you want to spiritbond, hope that everyone else is okay with that. You want to farm whatever content is available, good luck. If not everyone is okay with that, they have the option to either vote kick or leave on their own accord. The systems are in place for everyone to get a fair shot at what it is they want on top of a legitimate harassment notification system. Some want it more than others and will use the systems mechanics to their intended purposes.

I've found that if I just mention I want certain loot from a dungeon I'll just proclaim it in the beginning and the people doing their Duty Roulette will just pass on it without issue. When I'm on a different class or a lowbie character entirely, I'm able to greed the majority of the stuff cause in general the community likes to be helpful when they can. Otherwise they're going to do what they can to benefit themselves and there's really nothing wrong with that.

The OP's situation could've been avoided with just a bit of communication prior to running the dungeon and, according to their own testimony and much to their chagrin, it sounds like the OP was the one being the biggest timesink to the group as a whole. I don't think the healer was being a jerk at all. They had just as much right, and patience, to lose the roll as the OP had to win it.

Perhaps the loot timer could be brought down from five minutes to two or three but I'd imagine the situation would still seem controversial.