Forcing the Loot Timer Down: Is This Harassment?

[KingOfAbyss]

I probably would have done the same thing as the healer. It would have been one thing if it was an upgrade for you, but your need for glamour isn't any more of a need than my need for seals or desynthesis. Your connection is your responsibility.

And how exactly will the Healer win by greeding over a Tank that will need a Tank piece?

Same thing is happening in ST now, where 'nice' people wait until you give up waiting so the loot will be theirs.

In OP's case - healer knew chances for the Tank to disconnect would be high, so by waiting he could have a chance to get it.

What type of people are playing games..

SE should make a questionnaire to make sure that dumb and dumber peeps would have their own servers.

Edit: I will have to wait now to give commendations, until loot is cleared.. sigh..

Quote Originally Posted by Buff_Archer View Post
This solution worked out well in ST the other day when there were two extra drops (minion and some green throne gem thing) not part of weekly loot lockout, and it became clear there was at least one person out there who was trying to stall other ppl into giving up and leaving.
Others: "Roll already!" - Nothing
Me: "Ok I guess this part where someone doesn't roll thinking ppl give up. I'm going out for a cig." /sit - bam items all get rolled on.
(Tip you don't actually have to smoke in real life for this strategy to work)

This is the best way to approach this in my opinion. Chances are they don't want to wait either so call them on their bluff and more than likely they'll get frustrated and leave. If they do decide to go, okay, it's five minutes. You should probably take a break anyways. Stretch, go take a shower, make some tea, or anything else that might catch your fancy. More than likely though everyone else is in as much of a "rush" as you are so just do what Buff suggests.

The Duty Finder isn't for your speed, spiritbond, or farming runs. The Duty Finder is made to find people who want to complete the objectives set before them, that's it. If you want to speed run it, hope that everyone else wants to as well. If you want to spiritbond, hope that everyone else is okay with that. You want to farm whatever content is available, good luck. If not everyone is okay with that, they have the option to either vote kick or leave on their own accord. The systems are in place for everyone to get a fair shot at what it is they want on top of a legitimate harassment notification system. Some want it more than others and will use the systems mechanics to their intended purposes.

I've found that if I just mention I want certain loot from a dungeon I'll just proclaim it in the beginning and the people doing their Duty Roulette will just pass on it without issue. When I'm on a different class or a lowbie character entirely, I'm able to greed the majority of the stuff cause in general the community likes to be helpful when they can. Otherwise they're going to do what they can to benefit themselves and there's really nothing wrong with that.

The OP's situation could've been avoided with just a bit of communication prior to running the dungeon and, according to their own testimony and much to their chagrin, it sounds like the OP was the one being the biggest timesink to the group as a whole. I don't think the healer was being a jerk at all. They had just as much right, and patience, to lose the roll as the OP had to win it.

Perhaps the loot timer could be brought down from five minutes to two or three but I'd imagine the situation would still seem controversial.

Nice, to the point these 2 quotes.

Still, when captain obvious is there, like Tank piece drops and Tank state he need it, no point to wait as you will lose nonetheless.

But all the rest of your comments about DF, +1

[OPneedNerfs]

The irony of the EN community amuses me to no end.

Majority of DPS and healers don't like/want to see undergeared tanks in DF/DR.

Then, when a geared tank goes in, they're expected to pass on loot for tanking gear because "it's not an upgrade".

[Morningstar1337]

The irony of the EN community amuses me to no end.

Majority of DPS and healers don't like/want to see undergeared tanks in DF/DR.

Then, when a geared tank goes in, they're expected to pass on loot for tanking gear because "it's not an upgrade".

Maybe they wanted the gear for their Tank alts?

[KingOfAbyss]

Maybe they wanted the gear for their Tank alts?

No matter the reason, even if you want to get GC seals, the need button is there, you click, it gives you a number and not telling you that you already have it in your posession: It can be rightfully yours.

What we do in our FC, we wait a bit that the one in which it can go, will mention if it will pass on it, or not. like 'Free to loot', or 'I Pass'.

Just waiting and saying nothing is one thing: Stating that they will make them wait for 230 seconds, is pure.. sadism.

[Fue]

I hope people do realize that for some people theres no point running dungeons for anything other then for glamour.

[Ryans]

You are given 5 minutes to decide what to do with loot. It is your prerogative to use that full 5 minutes. The system would be changed if they didn't want people to have 5 minutes to decide.

[Lemuria]

A simple change would be to set it so that if someone has rolled NEED on an item and no one else can legitimately claim the item (ie, they can only roll Greed), make the item instantly drop. Having the wait timer when no amount of lotting will change the outcome is plain stupid anyway.

[Nekodar]

A simple change would be to set it so that if someone has rolled NEED on an item and no one else can legitimately claim the item (ie, they can only roll Greed), make the item instantly drop. Having the wait timer when no amount of lotting will change the outcome is plain stupid anyway.

So, if the one who lotted need realized that the greeder actually would have better use for the item, he shouldn't be able to leave the instance to let the other guy get it instead.
It wouldn't be possible with what you describe.

And... As for the OP...
Considering you were spiritbonding and the healer actually sticked around to wait for you to get back after every disconnect, expecting the healer to let you get an item for glamour only is a little much.
Since you went with FC and only pugged the healer, the healer had no chance of actually kicking you and the only way he/she could have left was with penalty.
If there is any harassment in this case, it's the OP that stands for it.

[DragonFlyy]

A simple change would be to set it so that if someone has rolled NEED on an item and no one else can legitimately claim the item (ie, they can only roll Greed), make the item instantly drop. Having the wait timer when no amount of lotting will change the outcome is plain stupid anyway.

The only reason to not have it check the other types of rolls would be, adding more code can cause a potential bug. More than likely, when they made the lot timer, it never occurred to them that someone might be an asshat and sit there waiting for someone to DC. Nor should they think that. Every other game that I have played with a lot timer like this behaves exactly the same. If someone needs and no one else can need, it still waits out the timer. Personally I think the time is a little long, but then again DCs don't really happen to me.

[indira]

its just using the timer other guy is in a rush and SOL.