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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Holy trinity.. Or maybe not.

    Does anyone else find it odd that Ramuh is now actually easier to do if you kick the tanks to the curb?

    I mean I understand if you choose one dps job over another dps job depending on party configuration.. but saying no tanks are welcome because it makes the fight HARDER ... Something seems very wrong with that.

    Is this what the devs intended?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOC_EU View Post
    FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Hotfixes (Jul. 15, 2014)

    The following issues have been addressed:

    An issue in “The Striking Tree (Hard)” and “The Striking Tree (Extreme)”, wherein the damage taken by pets was abnormally low.
    Well then.. It seems like they were paying attention! Haha...
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 07-15-2014 at 05:51 PM.

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    At least it's a game where you can change your class!
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    At least it's a game......!! Yeah, that's all I got.
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    maybe we did miss something about this fight that make it different for the tank, who know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Does anyone else find it odd that Ramuh is now actually easier to do if you kick the tanks to the curb?

    I mean I understand if you choose one dps job over another dps job depending on party configuration.. but saying no tanks are welcome because it makes the fight HARDER ... Something seems very wrong with that.

    Is this what the devs intended?
    The trinity still exists while it's not exactly a player it's still a tank of sorts even though it is an exploit and likely getting fixed sooner than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saccharin View Post
    The trinity still exists while it's not exactly a player it's still a tank of sorts even though it is an exploit and likely getting fixed sooner than later.
    How is that an exploit ? If anything, that's clever use of game mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwill View Post
    How is that an exploit ? If anything, that's clever use of game mechanics.
    "Clever use of game mechanics" is what an exploiter calls an exploit to justify their conduct.

    The encounter was designed for a specific set of roles. As I understand the pet in question has a 66% reduction in magical damage and due to this is why it can tank Ramuh. What this means is that you can have an extra damage dealer. now with a standard party make up of four damage dealers then an extra is a 25% increase now that's more than the coil buff at 20% and how many people, probably the same people QQed about that. In the end the 'tactic' makes the encounter less significantly demanding, the add are a dps check after all, so it is an exploit.

    Will SE take any action against those that do it. I seriously doubt it. Will they patch it? If the behaviour becomes prevalent as it seems it is then I'm sure they will.

    If it looks like an exploit, acts like an exploit, it's an exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saccharin View Post
    If it looks like an exploit, acts like an exploit, it's an exploit.
    Let's look at SE's track history since 2.0:

    Paladins tanking through multiple stacks without feeding. They decided to buff warriors after saying this was not their intended way of killing turn 1.

    People training through turn 3 instead of killing it? Also called an exploit when the first wave of coil players went through.

    What about coil turn 2? People were literally saying the exact same thing you're saying now. People were even saying that SE patched it shortly after, which was a complete lie. SE never touched it.

    Feeding dreadnaughts everything in turn 4 was also not SE's intended mechanic for the fight. See point 1 with warriors for their reaction.

    People cried when they found out the first twintania kill was circumventing death sentences by standing in conflageration. THIS MUST BE AN EXPLOIT, they said.

    So, this whole screaming something as an exploit has gotten old. Move along.
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    Titan is a tank.
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    I find it less odd and more amusing that people are complaining that there is something where the 'holy trinity' can be avoided. Maybe it was just my time in CoH. *shrugs*
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