Ideas On How To Stop Fairy Pulling Dreadnaught In T8

[Dux]

Hi All

Currently working on T8 and I have a problem with my fairy pulling the dreadnaught away from the MT (PLD).

The MT is positioned SE and the rest of the raids opposite him NW. The dreadnaught will spawn, it will run to the MT and then it will turn around and swipe Eos. Eos will then cure herself which makes matters worse and then the Dreadnaugh cleaves us all.

At the spawn time I have stopped healing and the WHM is taking care of the Esuna for the debuff. I have also no wispering dawn up but if the boss drops the tanks HP down Eos will unhelpfully auto-cure the tank and then the Dreadnaught wipe us.

At this time the tank is using the following sequence of actions to acquire hate on the dreadnaught. Provoke -> Shield Lob -> Shield Lob. I am told he uses Provoke first because he is out of range for Shield Lob.

Currently we have 2 ranged triggering the Dreadnaugh tower at a random time but I suspect there is a better time to put 2 into the tower to start the long trigger of the Dreadnaught as we seem to be getting a Dreadnaught straight after a lazer.

What do you think guys, any suggestions or are we doing anything really wrong?

[NintenPyjak64]

Judging by what you're saying, your tank isn't doing enough to solidify hate. I'd suggest an un-comboed Savage Blade or RoH when the dread reaches the MT before trying to do the full hate combo. While it doesn't get the damage or enmity boost, it's still a bit of hate to make up for what you can't make with Fast Blade.

Usually in my group it's our BLM that pulls the dread too early if at all with some Fire 1/starter crits so I can't really speak for why the fairy of all things is doing it (besides the tank under performing)

[PetiteMalFleur]

This is a tank issue. If your fairy didn't pull hate with an embrace your dps will. However, I'm confused on your group's healing strat here. Both you and the WHM stop all heals as dread spawns, give the tank a moment to grab dread then cure bomb to bring him back up? I assume regen drops off as well? I refresh regen just before dread spawn, esuna the dot then heal as usual. Our SCH continues healing throughout as well. If the towers are timed properly our tank is able to secure hate fine. (WAR MT)

For high aggro your tank should provoke >shield lob x2 >circle of scorn >RoH combo. If tank is still having issues securing hate they will need to load fight or flight first. Your group will need to time the dread spawn so there's enough time do this rotation before brainjack. You'll time it by having 2 people run into the dread tower immediately as it comes online.

[Dux]

However, I'm confused on your group's healing strat here. Both you and the WHM stop all heals as dread spawns, give the tank a moment to grab dread then cure bomb to bring him back up?

Yes, we cure him to max (or as high as possible) and then the lazer lands, we esuna it off and almost at exactly the same time the DN spawns. We stop healing at this time and pray the tank doesn't die before he secures hate and we can cast again.

I assume regen drops off as well?

We don't put it on prior to a dreadnaught popping, we have had issues in the past where the WHM would just die if regen was put on before tanks secured hate on newly spawned adds.

[PetiteMalFleur]

Regen emnity shouldn't be that much of an issue with this being a single target add. If you're having to let regen drop off and stop all heals I'd be praying hard he doesn't get crit. I'd also be concerned the sudden heal bombs would pull hate with aggro being so tenuous to begin with.

Is the tank able to reach the dread at its spawn point or does he wait until it starts moving to provoke it? You could try repositioning so the tank is south, the raid stacks NE or NW (depending if he is helping push towers) and place your fairy on the other corner. He should be able to step into avatar's hit box and provoke the dread at its spawn without turning the boss. It is max range for provoke but he can reach it.

There's also been some mention of tanks having aggro issues after deaths due to a possible bug with shield oath/defiance. Try having him turn off then on oath to make sure it is activated properly.

[Gamex]

I assume you are single tanking it? You could try two tanks unless your dead set on single tanking it.

[Electrowitch]

He must use shieldlob first, then can provoke for safty and do another shield lob, the Dreadnaught is NOT out of range for a shield lob. The Tank just moves right under the boss to be in range. Even if he moves a step to far and the boss turns for 0.2 seconds, it doesnt matter.

[Zaft]

There are a few misunderstandings here on how Provoke works, so I'm going to try to help clear that up.

First off, Provoke is not good for pulling. Provoke works like such: Your Threat = Highest Member's Threat + 1. So then, how much threat do you have if you use Provoke on a freshly spawned Dreadnaught that hasn't aggroed somebody? 1 (technically higher because of any heals or such). A single tick of a heal over time will yank that Dreadnaught right off you.

Second, because Provoke does not increase your threat but instead match your threat to the highest member's threat, using abilities prior to Provoke is pointless. Here is an example of what I mean.

Scenario 1: The player with the highest threat has 4000 threat. The tank uses 5 abilities, generating 3500 threat, and then uses Provoke. He now has 4001 threat.

Scenario 2: The player with the highest threat has 4000 threat. The tank uses Provoke. He now has 4001 threat.

This is more than likely the reason for your tank having problems picking up the Dreadnaught. What you want is for prepare a Halone for when the Dreadnaught spawns.

[PetiteMalFleur]

With the tank south of the dread it is out of range for shield lob at its spawn so the tank must open with provoke. I'm aware it is suboptimal for pulling but it must be used in this situation due to range. This is a tough pull but it's manageable and expected for the tank to secure hate this way.

With the dread heading through the raid before reaching the tank prepping RoH and waiting (or waiting to lob) will allow the dread to cleave everyone before the tank can pick it up.

I haven't downed T8 yet but our WAR tank pulling with provoke then using tomahawk followed by his BB combo works roughly the same and we have no issue with this mechanic now.

Here is an entire thread on this and they all open the same way. Provoke >shield lob x2 >circle of scorn >RoH
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rate-more-hate

[Empressia]

always try saving halone for dread