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  1. #51
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    skaterger's Avatar
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    Joanna Selenia
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LetBloodline View Post
    Well everyone can call himself "top BLM" if in the fight they let do all the work to others and just stay put and fire

    I call a "top BLM" the one able to deal with the fight and do his share and make that work affect the less possibile his DPS. He/She will have less DPS then scarecrow BLM? Sure but it's effectiveness in the fight and in the party is miles ahead of scarecrows BLM

    Sure, why put a BLM doing the "homing missile" job or kiter in t7 job? Some jobs are just wrong for BLM but many others can be done without much problems
    No you don't get my point. Even the best blm in the world will never be able to do the same dps in titan ex as say T8 because while a great blm can mitigate much of the movement problems, they will never be able to do so perfectly. So in instances where a raid can allow a blm to not move, it is in their best interests to do so if they want to maximize dps. In fact, I would go so far to say that a great blm will realize that they should not move unless they absoluitely need to and in circumstances like not stacking for plumes in titan, they should certainly do so. But in the process of doing so, it makes their job inherently easier to play.

    That is what I meant when I said that top blms will recognize when they absolutely need to move and when they can cut corners. Why would you want to move to activate landmines when a summoner can do so at a much lesser cost to his dps? Sure, if you want to move to prove that you can move while dpsing, thats great, but a turret blm will always be better than a moving one, and good blms will recognize that.
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  2. #52
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    Aenore Tristelle
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    Ragnarok
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
    No you don't get my point. Even the best blm in the world will never be able to do the same dps in titan ex as say T8 because while a great blm can mitigate much of the movement problems, they will never be able to do so perfectly. So in instances where a raid can allow a blm to not move, it is in their best interests to do so if they want to maximize dps. In fact, I would go so far to say that a great blm will realize that they should not move unless they absoluitely need to and in circumstances like not stacking for plumes in titan, they should certainly do so. But in the process of doing so, it makes their job inherently easier to play.

    That is what I meant when I said that top blms will recognize when they absolutely need to move and when they can cut corners. Why would you want to move to activate landmines when a summoner can do so at a much lesser cost to his dps? Sure, if you want to move to prove that you can move while dpsing, thats great, but a turret blm will always be better than a moving one, and good blms will recognize that.
    I know, and if you gave me a perfect party with player that can do all the jobs flawlessly even if you give them all the work i'd agree with you. I'm not in such group. First we don't have a summoner. Second if i say "i stay still to di little more dps, you do all the work" they kick me. 3 we are 2 BLM so... It'a hard do all the work leaving 2 BLM jobless. 4 i do some jobs better then others so i think it'a better do little less dps and don't whipe.
    A BLM that do 380dps and stay still help to win the fight way less then one that di 378 easing up job distribution

    So again, scarecorow's BLM are a worse resource than good BLM that are way more useful to win the fight
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  3. #53
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    Mero Mero
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    it's all about being lucky or not. The more luck you have, the better dps (station or mobile, it doesn't matter)
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  4. #54
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    Whiskey Bravo
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    Leviathan
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Umero View Post
    it's all about being lucky or not. The more luck you have, the better dps (station or mobile, it doesn't matter)
    Meh.. When it comes to RNG, maybe. Otherwise, luck has nothing to do with knowing your job inside-out. The latter overcomes the former.
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  5. #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Meh.. When it comes to RNG, maybe. Otherwise, luck has nothing to do with knowing your job inside-out. The latter overcomes the former.
    I'm talking about on top of "knowing your job inside-out"
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  6. #56
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    Vire's Avatar
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    Vire Darksteel
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    Excalibur
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Dragoon is much harder than monk its laughable to hear some of these monk players say monk is the hardest.

    1. Dragoon
    2. Summoner
    3. Monk
    4. Black Mage
    5. Bard
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  7. #57
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    Selli Noblesse
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    Gilgamesh
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vire View Post
    Dragoon is much harder than monk its laughable to hear some of these monk players say monk is the hardest.
    I know several people who play both MNK and DRG at end-game and they all tell me the same thing: Monk is harder. And I've played both so I can see exactly where they are coming from.

    There is a significant difference between the amount of positional attacks that are possessed by DRG and MNK. MNKs will spend lots of energy moving around to get their crits, while DRGs spend a fair bit of time at the rear. So on stationary bosses, both are going to do well. But when it comes to big pulls where the Tank is constantly moving things to avoid AoEs and MNKs have that pretty derpy AoE skill and a bunch of positional attacks, MNKs going to have a hard time and DRGs... not so much. Not to mention if MNKs are not constantly cycling through their skills, they're going to be losing their stacks which means their DPS is going to drop like crazy.
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    Reis Heiral
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Difficulty, I think, is based on each individual. One person might think that this class is harder than this class or vice versa. Every answer here is an opinion and people will disagree and argue over and over.
    For example, a majority of people rank Summoners to be below either a Monk or a Dragoon but to me, I find Summoners to be the hardest class to play simply because I don't want micro-managing any critters to help me do my thing.

    Bottom lines is, It's all subjective and it's up to you to decide which you think is the most difficult class to play.

    PS Only one thing here is a facy, Bards are the easiest to play (:
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  9. #59
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    Adler Lett
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    Odin
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    Lancer Lv 50
    I have DRG, BRD and MNK at 50 and DRG and BRD seem to be most fun thus the easiest for me. MNK just have too much running around the target and his skills are set so that you don't have much room for improvisation when something goes wrong - at least it is much easier for me to change and adapt to situation with DRG or BRD. Haven't leveled mages much because I don't like the concept how their jobs work but it does apply to almost every single game I play that I avoid caster jobs.

    DRG - most fun and most versatile
    BRD - most safe because you can walk around where you want all the time
    MNK - most awkward and kind of boring
    casters - don't use/no idea
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  10. #60
    Player Adler's Avatar
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    Adler Lett
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    Odin
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Buklohn View Post
    The reason why there are so many bad Dragoons is because they have the lowest magic defense, having a high physical defense is great and all but its useless since 99% of the games adds and bosses are magic based. Add this with the jump animation lock and the results of certain death increases beyond any other class. In all honesty this game just isn't Dragoon friendly because of this reason.
    This game is very much dragoon friendly. The greatest difficulty dragoon (and monk too) can have is spinning tank in dungeon.
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