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  1. #31
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    Nimral's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa forever <3
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    Luluppi Luppi
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    I'm not doing it alone, that's the fun. I tried being in a ls and in a fc group. I left the ls after a day because the rage was too much. My fc doesn't bother anymore. The prob is not to get credit but to get to the mark in time. Like I said I was only able to fight against one once and it was down so fast that I managed to cast 1 skill maybe? Guess the prob is that ppl use illegal ways to find monster too. If I'm not lucky and a monster spawns on top of me I can forget the hunt.
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  2. #32
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    Saviorlito's Avatar
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    Savior Lito
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    I can agree that the use of 3rd party apps is crappy. I didn't even know people were doing it until I read these forums. Which, is kinda like the news. The more people you tell about bathsalts....
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  3. #33
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    Haken Browning
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Xatsh View Post
    IF the rewards were any less most people would not do them.

    They would be considered the same as Ramuh by many, a waste of time due to subpar rewards.

    People are doing them because they have BIS rewards. Take that away and you are right they would not be done as much. Then again they could just remove them from the game instead and it would have the same effect.
    So what, we're left with a choice between content that is going to inevitably monopolized by a select few cheaters because the rewards are so good vs. content that nobody wants to do because it doesn't drop BiS? If the only reason you're doing Content is for the rewards and not because it's enjoyable then get rid of it - it's cancer otherwise.

    Hunt wasn't meant to be this ungodly content that eclipses dungeons, CT2, Ramuh and Coil even for most players at this point, the fact that it is that speaks to the problem.
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  4. #34
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    Savior Lito
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    This is one of the main problems with it. FFXIV is an MMO with thousands of players. It should not have content that is unaccessible to players because too many people are doing it. That is just bad design.
    It's not unaccessible though. Just not as feasble for some as it is for others with it's current design. They ONLY thing they need to do is treat the mobs the same way they do FATE mobs. The more people hitting, the more damage it does. The more people hitting, the higher the HP. Can you imagine the Hecteyes (the one that reflects physical/magic) fully buffed? How many people would be destroyed for spamming shit!? That would actually require people to know when to stop DPSing and when to start, otherwise, with the large amount of HP and damage that it does, it wouldn't get killed. There would actually be MECHANICS to some of these fights.
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  5. #35
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    Kerrigen's Avatar
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    Ebi Frye
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    They'll just make a weekly cap to fix that. Now watch it be 500, like with Soldiery.
    No more freaking caps please. We have enough. Make other content reward Sand/Oil/Logs and make them uncapped if you don't care about players being able to get as many sands/oils as they'd like doing casual content. Balance it well, and then watch players spread around.

    Devs should stop underestimating the playerbase's ability to find the shortest path to the cheese.
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    Last edited by Kerrigen; 07-13-2014 at 03:27 AM.

  6. #36
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    Xatsh's Avatar
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    Xatsh Vei
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Prototype909 View Post
    So what, we're left with a choice between content that is going to inevitably monopolized by a select few cheaters because the rewards are so good vs. content that nobody wants to do because it doesn't drop BiS? If the only reason you're doing Content is for the rewards and not because it's enjoyable then get rid of it - it's cancer otherwise.

    Hunt wasn't meant to be this ungodly content that eclipses dungeons, CT2, Ramuh and Coil even for most players at this point, the fact that it is that speaks to the problem.
    The first 100% of the time.


    If 1 group can monopolize hunt nothing is stoping other from organizing. I have 3-4 groups of people around the world scouting areas. People are getting nearly 150-200seals an hour. My group participated in 10 of the S kills when they spawned.

    The enjoyment of coil is are the following:

    1) It drops something worthwhile.
    2) It is not an instance. Thank god
    3) There is no party size requirement.. again thank god
    4) It benefits groups who work together.. The first endgame mmo element in XIV to this point.

    Why should it not eclipse Ramuh or CT or dungeon (hell almost everyone hated blayflox.. they only spamed it because it droped the most myth/soldiery based on time spent). Those are worthless instance content, casual fluff for those without time to spend doing real mmo content. WoW has poisoned the mainstream to think Instances should always = best gear, it was an absurd mentality 8yrs ago... and it still is. In a mmo the open world should always be more important then instance content. This game is still in the WoW clone territory by a million miles, but it is nice they added something that is not a direct rip from that game.

    And explain how 1 group can monopolize? My guild cannot claim it. If I could Dox would claim probably 70% of the spawns on hyperion. Anyone can hit the mob we claim and get full reward. Yes we do not wait for 100 ppl to show up to engage, but that does not mean we are monopolizing it. My suggest is get a better group, get on TS, mumble or vent and organize yourselves. I say thank god they added content where organization pays off... everything to this point has been geared toward crap statics or solo players.

    As for bis you can make the most fun content in the world and make it drop a vanity pet as the reward... and less then 20% of the game will play it, mainly the achievement hunters which are a massive minority even more so then the hardcores. MMOs are about character and guild progression endgame. IF it drops crap gear... the content is crap no matter how well designed.

    Yes there are people using APPs radar, people are using deadly boss mods in coils too. I would put money on it that most the groups beating 9 have members who have or are currently using some kind of warning system or detection system to assist them. PEople on turn 5 cleared it with the APPs twintania plugin, or ACT's detection system. Or insert any not as popular program out there. Cheating will always exist. But to remove content because some group cheat, deminishes the game. We could of had a great booming economy in XIV, the game arguably has the best crafting and gathering system in the world... but it was destroyed because of Rmt fear. It is nothing buy vanity. You cannot alter design or diminish something because of the possibility of cheating, rmt or explotation. You have to detect and remove those who are. The game should always come first. Something SE has not done well in designing some elements of XIV.

    IF you remove everything that can be cheated on.. you have removed all the games content besides the chat channel. Then again I guess people could program respond bots for that too.
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    Last edited by Xatsh; 07-13-2014 at 03:40 AM.

  7. #37
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    Shinun's Avatar
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    Tri Edge
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    Marilith
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    Viper Lv 100
    The only problem I'm having with hunts are people are complaining when FC is killing alot of them on our server. We're farming most of the day and are constantly getting /tells and being yelled at by shouts.

    I've spent alot of hours these last few days farming ~4500 AN and 7 Book Drops, yet their are people just following us constantly not looking and are complaining that we're killing them.
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