Thread: Did 2.3 create enmity issues for tanks?

Originally Posted by Traek

The T6 issue I notice is also a pain for PLDs trying to keep aggroe over AoE healing WHMs. If the MT doesn't sit next to the party till the slugs hit them, the OT can really only get one flash before they run way out of range to run straight back to the PLD.

I've been noticing this specifically as well.. The aggro lines typically draw on the healers even though the adds are going towards MT (while OT is frantically trying to grab them)

I recommended just letting them come back to the healers, but we quit for the night after suggesting it so I don't know if they would have actually come back or just stayed on the MT.

Really weird.

Originally Posted by Kenji1134

Flash is ~495 base potency, reduced to 75% by Defiance, then doubled... So 742.5
Steel Cyclone is 200 base potency, 3x natural hate mod, no reduction from Defiance, and doubled... 1200

Flash enmity potency reduced by Defiance? It doesn't do any physical damage, how can it be reduced? Just curious..

Originally Posted by Kenji1134

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Iirc, Flash is modified by weapon damage and attack power; Defiance and Shield Oath reduce damage dealt by a set amount (25% and 20%), they do not reduce your attack power or weapon damage rating, so Flash should generate more enmity in each tank's respective enmity stance.

Originally Posted by Kenji1134

Yeah its reduced.
Its also reduced by 20% by Shield Oath.
However Flash does get the 20% buff from Maim...

Flash is not reduced by Shield Oath nor Defiance. There are people out there who already did the math and theorycrafted this out. Don't try to guess.

I have not had any issues, my sets PLD has had some issues (only to my WAR, but I out gear our PLD now so thats expected)

Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

This is normal enemy behavior; once an action is qued against one player, it is executed regardless of who has hate [unless interrupted].

2.3 changed the normal behavior of mobs as they spawn. I have seen this significantly in coil2. Turn 6, if i run to the side with the boss as soon as leafstorm is cast, the 3 slugs spawn and even though the PLD instantly flashes them they run to me, hit me once then run back. Turn 7, my brd stands very close to the N add in the frst set, he never once was attacked before 2.3 but now every time it hits him once. The 2nd add often runs to the healer or kiter and hits them once even though i attack it instantly, same with the 3rd and the final add.

this running to the initial agro target and then back to tank even if tank hits them before the are close enough to queue a move does make it a little harder to get them grouped and land your flash/OP on all mobs which can lead to more threat issues, if your not aware of this changed behavior.

If the problem was the oath to be refreshed, will check it with FC, I'm really curious if oath kept automatically active will loses all its effects and need be refreshed manually.

I noticed this as well right after the shield oath persisting through death change. IL109 PLD, I can keep hate but it seems much harder to do so on a grp of mobs. Constantly losing one and having to provoke it back, where before I didn't have to pay attention. It is frustrating losing mobs, by the time I get that one back, I lose another. Very noticeable in hullbreaker, I had to adjust my rotations quite a bit to make sure I kept hate on the whole grp.