Hunts: There is no problem with design.

[Jacost]

Rewarding the HUNTERS is something I agree with. Rewarding those who are using third-party tools to instantly see all enemies in a zone and their loactions, then zerging the hunts is NOT something I agree with.

Unfortunately there's not much SE can do about that without heavily reprogramming the engine. The entire zone is loaded into the client, and that data can be read without the server picking it up. It's a real shame; there's abusing the system, and then there's outright cheating.

[AttacKat]

Hunts are currently very good stones and seals and they are something new so they are likely not going to go away anytime soon.

Why is this going to stay, and it is not the same issue as SE had during the initial weeks?

Recall the days when you couldn't even hit more then once at the sub 20 zones because so many players were leveling up? What is the difference between back then, and now, when you have all the L50+s doing the exact same thing on the 1 or 2 marks that are available at any given moment?

As I said, wait a few weeks and the "excitement" will die down. SE doesn't need to adjust anything.

just put a limit on the number players that can get a reward from the elite monsters.

Why don't as just ask SE to bring back the claim bots? This isn't going to happen with ARR. Youshi-P has already said it many times, no "claims".

jc

[Kat_Manx]

So you're saying that, after I've spent an hour or more scouring areas to find a mark, I should wait on strangers who were doing something completely different to drop everything and saunter on over so that they can get some free stuff, at my own expense? No; the hunt should reward hunters, not the scavengers that follow in their wake.

Yeah umm.. of course you do not have to wait for random people. Just other hunters. :/ Since not all hunters are in the same zone, I assume. That's what hunt linkshells have been made for. To share information.

[whoopeeragon]

Unfortunately there's not much SE can do about that without heavily reprogramming the engine. The entire zone is loaded into the client, and that data can be read without the server picking it up. It's a real shame; there's abusing the system, and then there's outright cheating.

I know, it's just plain frustrating. It's almost as bad as the FATE trains, except that FATEs actually showed on the map. Having a crowd of people, from the same FC/LS mind, just waiting at camp, then suddenly turn on their heels and stampede over across the map before anything is called out or anyone else reacting...It's so blatantly cheating.

[Fynlar]

Players should be obtaining roughly 85-90 Seals per day.

The fact you think this is a reasonable goal considering how hunts are right now shows precisely why there are problems.

[Krr]

Hunts are driving progression-minded semi casual players out of content that requires skill. No other piece of content in the game lets you so effectively get i110 gear.

[Krr]

Unfortunately there's not much SE can do about that without heavily reprogramming the engine. The entire zone is loaded into the client, and that data can be read without the server picking it up. It's a real shame; there's abusing the system, and then there's outright cheating.

Just going to note that the client actually only has access to things within a certain range of you; you do not have the entire zone of mobs cached unless the zone is extremely small. To toe further around these types technical details is iffy discussion at best so I'm going to stop there.

The reason why you see all of the players suddenly storming toward one spot is that every server has multiple hunting Linkshells all inter-networked with each other. So if one player sees an elite mark, and calls it in shout, or to their LS, that gets sent to several other linkshells. That's also why these players are late to the kill so often.

[TeganLaron]

After looking at the prices of hunts, and correlating them with every other bit of content I have personally come to the conclusion there is nothing wrong with the design much at all.

Seals
Weapon cost: 1,740
Gear cost: 1,000 for Body/pants
Sand Book cost: 250 (need 3 i believe to obtain 1 oil so 750 total.)
Alexandrite cost: 200

Sorry I didn't read much further than this. So you think it makes sense that an i70 weapon costs 1,740 seals. While the (previously) hardest item required for an i110 costs only 750.

I don't even know what else to say to that.

[whoopeeragon]

Just going to note that the client actually only has access to things within a certain range of you; you do not have the entire zone of mobs cached unless the zone is extremely small. To toe further around these types technical details is iffy discussion at best so I'm going to stop there.

The reason why you see all of the players suddenly storming toward one spot is that every server has multiple hunting Linkshells all inter-networked with each other. So if one player sees an elite mark, and calls it in shout, or to their LS, that gets sent to several other linkshells. That's also why these players are late to the kill so often.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._hunt_mark_se/

I don't know about these 'other botting programs' but they are clearly giving them an advantage over everyone else.

[Krr]

redacted

I don't know about these 'other botting programs' but they are clearly giving them an advantage over everyone else.

The third-party-program that shall not be named on the Official Forums cannot detect mobs that are more than 20-30 feet outside of your character's normal vision range. The creator of the third party program that shall not be named has confirmed that you cannot see farther than that without accessing server data. Accessing server data would trip a red flag nearly immediately.

That isn't to say that the third party program that shall not be named isn't an unfair advantage, but it cannot do what you are describing and it has been confirmed that what it does is the limits of what can be done with client-side data.

We *really* shouldn't be talking in detail about these technical specifics here so I'm not going to say much more, sorry.

Voldemort.exe