Returning SMN having some questions about the gear.

[Shamirah]

Hi !

I stopped playing the game when the Leviathan patch came out. I stopped at an ilvl of 90. When I stopped I remember that the consensus was crit > det but some people were arguing that det > crit.

Now that I'm back... I don't know what gear I should aim for ? Has anyone established a BiS list ? What is the best upgrade to grab with the tomesstones, the best piece to grab at the syrcus tower and is the animus/novus worth the grind ?
Also, what are the accuracy cap ?

On a side note : is their anything I should know about the smn that has changed ?

Thanks

[Xlree]

Weapon: High Allagan Grimoire / Book of Spades
Head: High Allagan Mask of Casting w/ Evenstar Bootees or Eventar Hat w/ High Allag
Body: Evenstar Coat
Hand: Evenstar Gloves
Waist: Evenstar Sash
Legs: Evenstar Tights
Boots: High Allagan Boots of Casting w/ Evenstar Hat or Evenstar w/ High Allagan Mask
Neck: High Allagan Choker of Casting
Ear: High Allagan Choker of Casting
Wrist: Evenstar Armillae
Ring: Evenstar Ring
Ring: High Allagan Ring of Casting


Soildery Tomes Suggested Order:

• Evenstar Coat
• Evenstar Tights
• Evenstar Sash
• Evenstar Armillae
• Evenstar Ring
• Evenstar Gloves

Accuracy for Coils t6-t9:

t6 471
t7 481
t8 491
t9 491

Levi, Moogle, Ramuh Ex are near T5 cap.

[Shamirah]

Thanks <3 That helps a lot !

[Butcherboy]

I'll b working on smn as well. How bout I90 crafted stuff with penta meld r they good, any thoughts on this

[Xlree]

Cashmere Hat of Casting
Saurian Gloves of Casting
Saurian Belt of Casting

You can use these three to supplement the gear/accuracy you don't have.

[Shamirah]

What about the Syrcus tower, which item should I get first ? Not the chest 'cause I'll buy the Evenstar one.

[Butcherboy]

Ok Ty I did buy the gloves and stop from there since I dint know what else I should pick. The only piece I bought so far is I100 body.

[Havenchild]

Weapon: High Allagan Grimoire / Book of Spades
Head: High Allagan Mask of Casting w/ Evenstar Bootees or Eventar Hat w/ High Allag
Body: Evenstar Coat
Hand: Evenstar Gloves
Waist: Evenstar Sash
Legs: Evenstar Tights
Boots: High Allagan Boots of Casting w/ Evenstar Hat or Evenstar w/ High Allagan Mask
Neck: High Allagan Choker of Casting
Ear: High Allagan Choker of Casting
Wrist: Evenstar Armillae
Ring: Evenstar Ring
Ring: High Allagan Ring of Casting

Accuracy for Coils t6-t9:

t6 471
t7 481
t8 491
t9 491

First and for most this is not a summoners BIS set.

The truth of the matter is, after you hit the over 500 crit threshold, Det > Crit.
However I recommend always trying to be over 520 Crit whenever possible.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N56R

This is the true BIS set. The belt would be the ONLY item you should swap out (if your feeling luckier with crits). You can hit T9 99-100% with 483 acc. Personally for me, Garuda may have missed once in like 6 weeks of T9 runs. The difference is pretty much negligible. The difference between the belts will ultimately be 1% Crit rate/ 1% ACC vs 13 Det/13 SS.

Please stop making full Int builds and calling it BIS for Summoners. It's completely misleading and untrue. There is absolutely no full INT build that is actually BIS on SMN after patch 2.3. You will get out damaged by countless other summoners who don't do full INT builds.

What about the Syrcus tower, which item should I get first ? Not the chest 'cause I'll buy the Evenstar one.

I would honestly recommend the Belt, if you don't immediately need the accuracy. Otherwise its a toss up between the Gloves, Boots and Belt as the most beneficial, depending of course on how much crit you have.

[Zamii]

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there are a lot of people that have proven that getting the highest possible int is the highest dps possible, however, that only applies if your not going over or under accuracy cap, if your lowering accuracy and a small amount of int (10 ilvl difference max) but not going under cap, then you will increase dps by a small margin, the same applies in reverse when increasing your int.

the part about how your garuda only missed once or twice, doubtful, you only noticed it once or twice, more likely. also i did some fairly deep theory crafting about a month ago on accuracy vs crit hit rate and det, and accuracy won out, granted it wasn't a very large margin. i dont want to fill up this thread with off topic info about it so go to the original thread if you want to read about it.

anyway, the main reason most summoners prefer determination post patch 2.2 is because thats just how the itemisation handed it to us to avoid spell speed, bard gear is exactly the same, not many are super happy about it but we work with what we have.

[Havenchild]

there are a lot of people that have proven that getting the highest possible int is the highest dps possible, however, that only applies if your not going over or under accuracy cap, if your lowering accuracy and a small amount of int (10 ilvl difference max) but not going under cap, then you will increase dps by a small margin, the same applies in reverse when increasing your int.

the part about how your garuda only missed once or twice, doubtful, you only noticed it once or twice, more likely. also i did some fairly deep theory crafting about a month ago on accuracy vs crit hit rate and det, and accuracy won out, granted it wasn't a very large margin. i dont want to fill up this thread with off topic info about it so go to the original thread if you want to read about it.

anyway, the main reason most summoners prefer determination post patch 2.2 is because thats just how the itemisation handed it to us to avoid spell speed, bard gear is exactly the same, not many are super happy about it but we work with what we have.

DET has pure sustained numbers, where CRT is RNG based. CRT will always be RNG based and the amount that makes them "more reliable" is over 520 crit. DET however will almost always beat that out over an entire fight post 500 crit. In terms of Determination, 3.45 ish percent is equal to about 1 INT for summoners. If you are literally insisting that, 2 INT (his build) is gonna give you more damage then 35 DETERMINATION(my build) would, I seriously know you have no understanding of this class.

DET is a very powerful stat for Summoners, stronger then Crit not because of *gear circumstances*, but because of the dynamic impact it has on your DoTs which ultimately spikes your damage alot more then crit weights from RNG.

In comparison, I am the highest DPS, on majority of the phases in T9, capping first phase pre Golems as high as 420 DPS with my current build. You will never hit numbers like that with any of these max INT SMN builds on the forums.

the part about how your garuda only missed once or twice, doubtful, you only noticed it once or twice, more likely. also i did some fairly deep theory crafting about a month ago on accuracy vs crit hit rate and det, and accuracy won out, granted it wasn't a very large margin. i dont want to fill up this thread with off topic info about it so go to the original thread if you want to read about it.

Looking at your thread, the ACC is definitely 99.7% to 100% so we agree on this and no my runs are not just about "what i've noticed", I check all of my runs and I rarely but if ever miss on T9, the entire fight. Don't follow the crowd with 491 as a base. That's not actually the most beneficial to you. However, I will say the belts are in fact, interchangeable. If you feel your not getting as many crits, hop over to evenstar, if your critting alot stay with the DET from HA belt. If your a stiffler for .3% ACC then you can still use Evenstar and still do more damage then the build that was posted as the "BIS".