ARC, CON, GLD only

[Raikki]

You need 3 healers and a tank (from my experience, but maybe some people are really awesome and can do it with 2 healers). The 4 remaining slots can be anything really. It's not SE's fault if some raid organizer is misinformed or a jerk and won't accept melee DPS even though they work fine. Try learning the encounter before you cry that melee DPS doesn't work on it. By "try" I mean, go into it knowing it's possible and don't give up just because you can't faceroll it. It took us about a dozen failed encounters but we didn't have to resort to class stacking or terrain exploiting to beat it.

[Delsus]

You need 3 healers and a tank (from my experience, but maybe some people are really awesome and can do it with 2 healers). The 4 remaining slots can be anything really. It's not SE's fault if some raid organizer is misinformed or a jerk and won't accept melee DPS even though they work fine. Try learning the encounter before you cry that melee DPS doesn't work on it. By "try" I mean, go into it knowing it's possible and don't give up just because you can't faceroll it. It took us about a dozen failed encounters but we didn't have to resort to class stacking or terrain exploiting to beat it.

My complaint isnt directly at SE its how they balance things which makes a way that locks out people from them.

Example it took me ages to do the seed crystal fight for ACP in 11 because I only had DRG and SCH leveled at that time so no one wanted to invite me, everyone knew it can work with a melee DD in the group but I couldnt attack the crystal because I would get raped by aoes and other jobs were better at killing the clones because they could self heal better like blu so they were prefered.

This is how the community acts when every shout for somthing asks for arc con gld, yes there are other ways but they are less efficiant because of the AOEs, so people want to do things the most efficiant way.

[Raikki]

This is how the community acts when every shout for somthing asks for arc con gld, yes there are other ways but they are less efficiant because of the AOEs, so people want to do things the most efficiant way.

It's not a matter of efficiency, it's a matter of people's willingness to learn the encounter. If you know the encounter, you can use melee just fine. Yes, if you don't know the encounter well enough, you can possibly win with a stacked class composition. Yes, that's an imbalance, but it doesn't prevent good players from using melee DPS classes. If you're a good player on a melee DPS class, then find like-minded players and learn the encounter together. A lot of people are still attempting or have beaten ogre cleanly and "efficiently" without class stacking or terrain exploiting.

[Delsus]

It's not a matter of efficiency, it's a matter of people's willingness to learn the encounter. If you know the encounter, you can use melee just fine. Yes, if you don't know the encounter well enough, you can possibly win with a stacked class composition. Yes, that's an imbalance, but it doesn't prevent good players from using melee DPS classes. If you're a good player on a melee DPS class, then find like-minded players and learn the encounter together. A lot of people are still attempting or have beaten ogre cleanly and "efficiently" without class stacking or terrain exploiting.

This isnt about people not knowing the encounter its that word gets around that theres one way to do somthing and it sticks, other ways either dont get around as well as the first or people ignore them saying thats the wrong way to do it. 11 was full of job specific missions and fights not because other jobs couldnt do it, but because they werent as good or AOEs will rape them which is the common consensus for alot of the playerbase for ogre.

If somthing becomes common knowladge it will stick in the community and damage the game